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Early this morning in Baghdad, Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi dictator whose reign in Iraq led to horrible violence, was hanged for "crimes against humanity", specifically the 1982 killing of 148 men and boys in Dujail. The Daily News compared him to a gangster ("tyrant who ruled Iraq like a Mafia don, slaughtered his fellow citizens and led his country into two disastrous wars with the United States") and the Post noted that his death was "greeted with elation by those present at the execution, which included dancing over Hussein's body." (The Post also called him "The King of Swing.") And not surprisingly, Shiites welcomed the news. Here's an excerpt from the NY Times' extensive obituary by Neil MacFarquhar:
The hanging of Saddam Hussein ended the life of one of the most brutal tyrants in recent history and negated the fiction that he himself maintained even as the gallows loomed — that he remained president of Iraq despite being toppled by the United States military and that his power and his palaces would be restored to him in time.Iraqi officials are now trying to decide what to do with Hussein's body. President Bush released a statement, beginning, "Today, Saddam Hussein was executed after receiving a fair trial -- the kind of justice he denied the victims of his brutal regime.." but even with Hussein's death, the U.S. still faces difficulties with the Iraqi conflict. How things have changed from the dramatic news that Hussein was captured.The despot, known as Saddam, had oppressed Iraq for more than 30 years, unleashing devastating regional wars and reducing his once promising, oil-rich nation to a claustrophobic police state.
For decades, it had seemed that his unflinching hold on Iraq would endure, particularly after he lasted through disastrous military adventures against first Iran and then Kuwait, where an American-led coalition routed his unexpectedly timid military in 1991.
His own conviction that he was destined by God to rule Iraq forever was such that he refused to accept that he would be overthrown in April 2003, even as American tanks penetrated the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, in a war that has become a bitterly contentious, bloody occupation.
The NY Times' Bill Carter examines the dilemma facing news network execs about showing the hanging. For instance, NBC's Steve Capus: “I think it might be appropriate at some point to see an image of Saddam after he is hanged. I think about that iconic image of Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania, lying literally in the gutter. I want to do this with a measure of taste, but I don’t want to stand in the way of history.”
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"Neil MacFarqhuar"
I wonder if that's pronounccecd the way I'm reading it.
I'm certainly NOT a supporter of Saddam Hussein, but IMO, videotaping the execution is barbaric.
How is this different from a public lynching? And the excuse that the people needed "proof" is BS. There were plenty of witnesses to testify that, yep, he's dead. "Justice" or not videotaping it was wrong.
What's next? Dragging the corpse through the street? Bet someone proposes we have public executions here. The state can make money selling tickets...
Somehow I guessed hard-core leftists are not happy to see this day.
Arab world is filled with conspiracy theories (very similar to american left) so it is crucial to show a proof that saddam is dead.
CNN showed Baghdad sniper videotape (provided by Al-Qaida) in which american soldiers were killed and this was ok for american left and drive by media.
Best regards
Jamil
Jamil Hussein, imaginary AP source in Baghdad, source of 61 fake news reports from Baghdad
Jamil it's not about being left or right, it's about being humane.
Should Rummesfeld or Bush the Elder be held accountable for arming Saddam? If we go with the Bloomberg gun seller theory then...
The biggest conspiracy of this new MIllenium was the selling of WMD's as the reason to wage an invasion of a sovereign nation.
The actors in this colluison were, Bush, Cheney, Rummesfeld, Pearle, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Blair, Berlusconi, to name a few.
The definition of a conspiracy: (Law.) an agreement by two or more persons to act unlawfully.
If there were'nt any conspiracies, you wouldn't have conspiarcy theories. And as we all know, grabbing Power is all about who and what you know.
I suggest reading Shakespeare's History plays if you truly want to understand Conspiracy's.
The Right Wing/Neo Conservatives, enjoy the conspiracy spin to the left, meanwhile History has shown how paranoid the the Right really is, repatriating Marcus Garvey, holding Paul Robeson under House arrest, the Witch Hunts, tapping MLK phone lines, tapping Malcolm X's phone lines, the Lennon files, Guiliani and the Million person march in NY, Guiliani period, the list goes on and on.
If the hanging of Saddam is screened, then surely Jamil, the coffins of all the soldiers killed should be televised as they arrive back in the States? The execution of Saddam is all another empty "Fear Factor" episode produced by Bush co; and the Neo Con Media Corps.
Happy New Year to everyone who looks a little deeper than surface gratification.
Millenium...my old eyes are getting tired
Whether or not he was a really, really bad dude or if he deserved to die are both irrelevant questions. It was the constant TV interruptions last night, like a spectator sport, that really fucking creeped me out. I'm sure even he had loved ones, and they certainly didn't deserve to be subjected to the death watch...it's rather horrifying when news outlets in my own country are contemplating stooping to 3rd world antics.
LOL. You lefty faggots must be quaking in your boots. Today is the day that George Bush finally got Saddam Hussein for bringing down the World Trade Center and attacking America. These colors don't run. HEE-YAH!
Yay! More American soldier deaths to come!
It's the end of the World as we know it.
We need more bodies here, boss.
Courtesy of the Red, white and Blue.
Oh, great, so we "got" him good, eh, "Toby"? Another milestone for the great American fight? Just like when we tore down his statue. Great milestone. Just like when we captured him. Another great one and Dubya was sure things were going to turn around then. Just like when his sons were killed, another turning point. Just like things were going to get better as soon as they had elections. Just like when we turned the country over to its new government. All these great milestones and tomorrow another few American servicepeople will be killed or maimed, another few hundred thousand bucks of Army machinery destroyed, another not so few Iraqis will die horrible deaths...
saddam was hanged because he was held responsible for 148 deaths in dujail. ok he deserved it . but eversince united states occupation on iraq more than 150 people are being killed every day and about 3 us soldiers are being killed everyday (average) . Who is going to be held responsible for these deaths ???
Toby Grow up...or show up in Baghdad.
By the way Toby, we still have the "Don't ask, don't Tell" policy in the service, so you'll be fine.
I think the #8 "Toby" commenter was making a joke. Re-read it, and it seems to be taking a dig at people who really think like that. I don't think it was meant to be taken literally.
folks, I think "Toby's" post was mocking red state sentiments.
OH no! what other bikes will the Tuttles build now that the bad man is dead.
The A & E channel should be called the White Trash channel.
courtesy of the Red, white and Blue.
tapping MLK phone lines
Actually, this was arranged by Bobby Kennedy. But I know, facts are soo boring.
Any video released of the execution will just be jerk-off fodder for the Bush war machine. If they want to screen it in Iraq, i'm fine with that. Saddam's actions directly impacted the Iraqi people , not the United States.
Maybe one day, we'll have the esteemed privilege of watching Bush and his puppets swing from the gallows. Tit for Tat. We're killing our people, we're killing their people. Their dictator's been disposed...so who's next in this equation?
MLK's phone was still tapped...what's your point Troy?
it was tapped by left-wing democrats. So called "Deep Throat" was one of the scumbags doing the dirty work for democrats.
I can't believe you guys hate Bush so much that your defending Hussein. Gain some perspective.
And if we're going to assign blame to Reagan for arming Hussein then I'm blaming England and France for fucking up the Middle East in the first place. and if you listened to Al Qeda's last tape, so are they.
Told ya, we'll get our payback. Don't mess with the USA. My daddy was a veteran. Now those deaths are avenged.
courtesy of the red, White and blue.
We need more body bags over here, boss.
Chau Chauchesku.
We love to see him hung. In fact, hang them all, let God sort em out.
duke nukem.
good riddance to bad rubbish is wat i say . now get the rest
CHRIST,ITS NOT LIKE WE ARE SHOOTING AT BAMBI...ALL I WANT IS TO SEE HIM SWING A LITTLE
I'm a Brit and ex-serviceman myself. I'm so very glad that the US is "running" foregin global politics and NOT LONGER the UK. Costs a fortune and nobody thanks you for it anyway!
As I watched nonstop coverage of Saddam's Death Watch, I was told over and over that this was a heinous mass murderer. There were mass graves. That up to 300,000 people were killed during his reign.
Then they told us what he was actually convicted for -- 148 dead in Dujail. That's a terrible crime. But there's at least that amount of people killed every two days in Iraq now.
Now, I looked into the mass grave claims and the US government found graves that contained hundreds of bodies in some places. And prosecutors claimed that Saddam gassed 5,000 Kurds in Northern Iraq.
This hardly adds up to 300,000 killed. I am not saying that he didn't kill that many, I just don't know why we didn't do our homework and convict him all of his crimes. As Robert Jackson, the lead prosecutor in the Nuremberg trials famously said, "We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow."
We need history on our side on this one. Remember we invaded the whole country and turned it upside down because Saddam was such a bad guy. It would have been nice to prove how bad. I don't know why the trial seemed so rushed and third rate. Actually, I do know why. It's because Iraq is a complete mess and this whole fiasco is being run by the same incompetents who have screwed everything else up.
Please spare me the nonsense about how the Iraqis are a sovereign government and they were running the trial and we had nothing to do with it. Saddam did cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people when he started a war with Iran. That didn't get brought up much in the trial.
I am sure the fact that United States supported him in that war and Don Rumsfeld sold him weapons to use in that war was not a factor at all as to why that was not emphasized in his trial ... run by the Iraqis. Remember starting a war of aggression is the highest war crime. And Saddam clearly started one with Iran, let alone Kuwait. But then we're not in a very good position to talk about wars of aggression anymore.
The hotel I'm staying at today only has Fox News Channel ( Dick Cheney must stay here when he's in town). So, first I was subjected to the inane chatter of Sean Hannity claiming this might turn things around in Iraq. That our troops were very happy about the execution of Saddam and that it was really going to help their morale. The Vulcan mind meld he did with them must have proved this.
As usual, there were two lackey former colonels on the air to parrot everything Hannity said right back at him, "Yes Sean, our troops our ecstatic that this man will be hung. Yes, things are probably going to get much better now."
Then Greta had one of Saddam's lawyers on, and he clobbered her. She said that Saddam had been convicted of killing the 148 people in Dujail and prosecutors had information about another 5,000 Kurds killed. First, he said some completely unconvincing nonsense about how some of the dead people in Dujail were still alive. But then he made a fair point that Saddam was never convicted of the crimes against the Kurds and that now we would never truly know.
When Greta said those are some tremendous numbers referring again to the two incidents of 148 and 5,000 killed, the lawyer responded that those numbers were not nearly as tremendous as the 750,000 Iraqis killed since the US invasion. Ouch.
It sucks to get outdueled by Saddam's lawyer. But the man has a point. As we all know, and have repeated ad nauseam, Saddam was a really bad guy and a dictator that killed many people. But I don't see where the 300,000 number came from and I'm pissed they never proved it. And that still doesn't match up to how many Iraqis have been killed in just the three and half years of the Iraq War.
We didn't kill all those people and our objective is not to oppress the Iraqi people for our own gain (well, not exactly at least; though their oil is yummy for our cars' tummy). But Saddam was executed for killing a 148 people. And our invasion has cost the lives of at least several hundred thousand people that otherwise would not have died.
I'm not drawing any conclusions and I'm not even making any inferences. I'm just saying it's something to be pondered.
Sddam life must not ended like this .Barbaric person by barbaric rule for how long does it continues?
Saddam life must not end like this.Barbaric person by barbaric rules for how long does it go like this?
it was tapped by left-wing democrats. So called "Deep Throat" was one of the scumbags doing the dirty work for democrats.-Troy
Troy are you still falling for all that Neo-Con Conspiarcy guff?
Next thing you'll be saying is that J Edgar Hoover was forced to dress in drag.
Troy re-think your understanding of Left Wing and Right Wing please....and MLK phone was still tapped...so what's your point again?
now let's hang BUSH!
G.W. Bush has proved himself to be THREE TIMES the murdering psychopath that Saddam was...
so when do we get to see the BUSH EXECUTION VIDEO?.
JUST A REMINDER to all you brainless, pathetic assholes:
On 9/11 we were attacked by OSAMA BIN LADEN & Al Qaida ...NOT Saddam Hussein. The mere fact that Bush has insisted on going after Saddam proves he was only interested in getting personal revenge and NOT finding the real culprits.
Wake up and smell the stench of FASCISM, you stupid MOFO Bush-supporters.
Jefferson wrote a preliminary business plan for FOX news on January 16, 1787 in a letter to Edward Carrington
Machiavelli's The Prince was read to and discussed with GW Bush on July 8, 2001
Saddam Hussein was killed before 2007 could begin.
History does such funny things, what with all it's words and what-not.
lets get this straight. osama is next--but all you bush bashers are just pissed because clinton was too busy getting a blow job and cleaning up the mess there after to take care of serious threats that were out there, including saddam!!! so now bush had to come in and take care of cleaning up his mess. and he's the bad guy????? PLEASE!!!! how many terrorist orginizations did the dems take out during there 8 yrs-- none. they just fired a couple of missles and said " be good " screw all you bush bashers. your all a bunch of un-americans who are no better than the muslims burning the american flag and spitting on our country. move elsewhere or start supporting your country.
""screw all you bush bashers. your all a bunch of un-americans who are no better than the muslims burning the american flag and spitting on our country. move elsewhere or start supporting your country.nemos9"
He's RIGHT!. Support Bush..that's the best chance I'll ever have of LIVING FOREVER!
"Support Bush..that's the best chance I'll ever have of LIVING FOREVER! "
please, if you call living in a cave somewhere in the mountains a great life go ahead. he no longer has control of al quaeda and is nothing more than a face on the tv. now if we were smart we and israel would take out those boneheads in iran before they start anything. it's time to see the truth here people. this is the world we live in now. they ( the extremesist muslims) will not stop until they have wiped us "infedels" of the map. that is what they believe their meaning in life to be and how they translate their beliefs. are we to just sit by and let it happen-- no!!! we have to be the aggressor or next time a 9/11 happens it's gonna be ten times worse. you know its funny how history always repeats itself-- rome was the greatest empire until it grew too big and got eaten from the inside out and lost all its identity of what it means to be roman, and look at us now. we are doing the same thing in our country now. ask your self what it truly means to be american then ask your grandfathers/fathers generation and all those who were raised in the WW2 era what being american is all about. have pride and undenieble loyalty to your country regardless of your political affiliation. because all this media bullshit you see on tv makes the people trying to kill us laugh in our facees. and all you are doing is helping in the destruction of of our beautiful country.!!!!! if you think we aren't doing anything good in iraq and we are there for nothing. talk to one of us who have actually been there and ask us how many people come up to us on the street and thank us for being there and helping get them on there feet. yes we have lost alot of good men there but when you look at how many people died during saddams reign and how many families have been decimated by the old regime. our sacrifice's pale in comparision. and the bullshit leftist media that only wants to put the bullshit they do on tv aren't really portraying the truth so don't believe everything you see on the 6 oclock news. god bless my brothers and sisters still fighting the fight. some of us do appreciate the fact that you are still there doing what america does best.
"all you bush bashers are just pissed because clinton was too busy getting a blow job and cleaning up the mess there after to take care of serious threats that were out there"
The reason why he was "too busy cleaning up the mess" was because the insecure repressed homosexual conservatives made it the "news" and much much bigger than it had to be.