December 7, 2006
One Dead From Union Square Greenmarket Fight; Two Injured
The initial reports about an afternoon stabbing at the Union Square Greenmarket were just a small picture of what happened: A group of about 50 teenagers gathered, using bricks, knives, belts planks and more and attacked each other. Seventeen year old Taishawn Bellevue was fatally stabbed in the chest. Seventeen year old Glenwood Nobles was stabbed multiple times in the back and Carlos Tejada was hit on the head with a brick. Tejada was released while Nobles is still at the hospital.
A book vendor at the market Derwin Hannah said, "They were all in front of a McDonald's before the melee, before the thing jumped off... You saw hands and fists flying. One girl with a burgundy coat was beating someone with a cane. It went down like 'The Warriors.' Innocent people were locked in against the tables."
Another shopper told the Daily News, "I suddenly saw a bunch of kids. One had a belt with the metal side out. I saw a guy with a piece of wood. He was using it like a bat. It was a wild melee. Then they got closer to me, and I got out the way."
Police aren't sure exactly why the fight occurred but suspect it may have been a fight between students from Washington Irving High School, a few blocks away, and students from Science Skills Center High School in Brooklyn. Bellevue, who attended Science Skills, was a basketball player who attended the Junior Knicks camp. Bellevue's mother believes Taishawn was targeted due to his talent, "This is all, I believe, envy. People just decide to hate on him, and I don't appreciate it, but God knows best." Bellevue's basketball coach Reginald Murray told the News, "He's not a troubled kid. He's a good kid. People always say that, but he's a straight baller." Nobles's father Troy Woodfin said his son didn't know his attackers and added, "It was probably over something stupid." Police are still looking for Bellevue's stabber.
The Post reported that teenagers involved and bystanders were questioned late last night: "One angry mother was seen leaving the station house with her son, slapping him and saying, 'What were you doing in Manhattan?'" Washington Irving HS has had a history of violence; a few years ago, students threw a stool out a window which hit a pregnant woman, causing a staffer to complain to the Post, "This school is known as the dumping ground for bad kids. It's not fair."
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Rumble, Union Square.
Presents, stabbings, Christmas cheer.
Happy holidays.
Sadly, Washington Irving High School used to be a top notch Girls only school.
uh, no cops, no comment.
f'ed up
Where's Al sharpton to denounce these kids? I bet if there were cops this wouldn't have happened. Where are the cops? oh yeah, they've got their hands tied
Maybe they should clear some space for them, put up a fence and let them kill each other. Seriously - Battle Royale for stupid HSers. Last one standing gets an education.
This is why I can't have children until I have a million dollars. I would never let my children go to public school with these barbaric savage monkeys.
Another example of how white people and the establishment are conspiring to kill black people in the US.
Oh, wait. Wrong post.
Yeah, the cops should have gunned those kids down. But, thanks to Sharpton, they are all on desk duty now.
This is not the first gang fight on the streets of Manhattan, nor will it be the last. The color of the faces may change but street fighting went on before there were paved streets in NY.
its always sad when the world loses a "straight baller"
#10: Thanks Herbert Asbury.
Al $harpton won’t protest because this because black-on-black violence is an actual problem plaguing the black community, $harpton only shows up when he can protest cops. Plus there is no money to be made from cleaning up your own mess, only from crying “racism” like the boy who cried “wolf”.
Lemme guess: somebody probably "dissed" somebody. Naturally, lives are going to be lost over that. Social Darwinism! Can't wait for the rappers to release a "tribute" song for this one. Amen to posts #6 & 7.
Lemme guess: somebody probably "dissed" somebody. Naturally, lives are going to be lost over that! Social Darwinism at its finest. Can't wait for the rappers to release a "tribute" song for this one. Amen to posts #6 & 7.
any white people hurt?
NO.
why the hate against the Great Reverend Al Sharpton?
If you care about Black on Black crime, mr. baba booey, why don't you make an effort to change it.
instead of posting on a message board.
Everyone is hurt by incidents like this. The individuals involved, the ones that survived, have shown a savage propensity towards violence which will make them an anchor on the rest of civilization. Additionally, I shudder when I see this kind of violence by women. When I was in HS a 16 year old girl was jumped by another HS girl and her 22 year old boyfriend. They hit her with a sledge hammer and cut her face with a razor. I would never subject any child that I have to these animals. Private schools all the way.
Savages are amongst us, but some of them wear suits and flags on their lapels while organizing and ordering the violent demise of others...
because al is silent. he's a flamer for racism. can you get it #16?
the police (among myriad social programs and handouts) are our effort to 'change it'. maybe it's time for community leaders to take some responsibility? you never hear al talk about the real root of this problem and it couldn't be more obvious. oh, it's so much easier to hate and blame it all on white oppression.
I work nearby and believe it or not it all started over an heirloom tomato. I guess there was only one decent one left in the whole market and two kids from warring high schools reached for it at the same time.
I knew that someone (#18) would eventually attempt to blame this subtly on the "establishment". The only people to blame here are the idiot kids who came to fight and their idiot parents who care more about their kids basketball skillz than their math and reading skillz.
well, it IS a crime to use heirlooms after their prime time in the early fall.
How do you people know The Great Reverand Al Sharpton preach racism?
Were you ever in his church? I'm willing to bet a NO.
Why don't you just admitt you hate black people.
I think that might have been part of the problem. Statistics show that violence often coincides with the appearance of root vegetables at our nation's greenmarkets. Personally, the mere sight of a rutabega throws me into a violent rage.
If you think Private schools are much safer, you're in for a surprise.
But it's your child and your money.
the black community and al sharpton should be comdemning this violence. oh wait, that's right, they only come out of the woodwork when there's a shooting in their communities involving the NYPD and or white offenders.
while sharpton and his cronies were off protesting at NYPD headquarters (and speaking to the media of potential future violence against the police and public [to get their point across]) last night maybe they should have marched up to union square to a real issue—set the record staright, peacefully.
it's pretty scary, i think public schools serve iceberg lettuce in their caprese salads...
edEx - You're a racist for telling the truth.
maybe black people will start protesting black on black crime when white people protest white peoples involvement in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq.
I just got a chill. I have it from a reliable source that public school kitchens regularly use flat leaf parsley in the place of cilantro. Where are our tax dollars going, people? If my black bean soup had been sullied in such a manner, I might also resort to wielding a plank. Don't even get me started on their relentless use of dried herbs.
If you idiots can't see the difference between a state-sanctioned armed group gunning down innocent black men time and time again and kids getting into gang fights.... Well, you're stupid!
And racist, but that goes without saying.
Anyway, I was walking by that McD's on Monday and I noticed all the kids in front, blocking the sidewalk and annoying passers-by. I was a bit intimidated myself, but I put on my old grumpy cracker face and they let me through. I did think it's stupid that McD's allows the children to just mill around aimlessly, and I thought the cops could easily get them to disperse.
But then I guess you fools want the po-po to go ahead and plug a couple of them, no questions asked!
Isn't it wonderful how us white people never did anything bad when we were kids? I know that I've never broken the law!
Why can't we do what we did to the first group of people we called savages? It worked out well for us. -sarcasm off-
NotAgain!,
Do you even attemp to make a logical connection between any event and Iraq anymore?
*maybe black people will start protesting black on black crime when white people protest white peoples involvement in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq.*
probably one of the most retarded things ever written on gothamist. why is it that black people believe that our nation's army is "white" do you have any idea how racist you are? probably not, and that's the root of your problem.
pathetic.
Damn, you people are racist.
I'm glad you have this outlet because you know you don't have the balls to say this elsewhere.
yeah yeah, keep talking. You're all just talk.
You have cell phone cams, show us what you did if you're so tough.
#34, I think the writer meant that white people are responsible for starting this war. Besides a few generals and condi rice, we all know it was cheyney-esque like humans that opened this pandora's box.
While I do not condone or agree with the war in Iraq I can say that in the rules of war when the enemy uses civilians as shields, and in this situation it is very common, civilians are not off limits (at least we have the courtesy to paper bomb the towns to warn of impending attacks) to missle and other attacks. that's is the rule of war and has been so since before WWII.
How many total civilians do you think were killed in WWII (by both the allied and enemy military? Do you have any idea?
Total civilian deaths in WWII (this does not include the holocaust or military deaths):
32,326,700
get off your soap box and educate yourself before pulling this race card crap.
I think some of you are missing the point the writer made regarding the war.
I thought the US army was like 65% black?
Whew. You folks forgot to take your smart pills today. The army is diverse racially and they follow ORDERS given by a group of old white men who got deferments when it was their turn to serve. Wars aren't started by the rank and file soldiers.
i'm really excited. the H&M around the corner from this crime scene is opening today.
H&M is full of warrior esk clothing lets all go and then rumble again.
I don't understand why, in a city as ethnically diverse and beautiful as New York, there are so many racist stereotypes. These problems are the effects of years of discrimination and hatred--years upon years upon years--all the way back to 1607, when the first slaves arrived at Jamestown.
In an historical context, these kids just got here about two seconds ago. This evinces a problem: The kids are not the problem. Hate is the problem. Racism itself is the problem, and it is part of our national heritage. And we really have to love.
______ _________ _______ White Men ______ _____Iraq!
I have created a template that sanctimonious people can use to create a comment for any situation.
Enjoy
I have a template too:
I love _________ because _____________.
Gawd Bless 'Merica!
Feeling my eye Q bleeding out my ears each subsequent post I read
please stop posting, people--save me my addiction to reading stoopid sh*t that stoopid people write.
As a product of PRVIATE school I can honestly say that you are throwing your money away if thats where you decide to send your kids to school.
There are plenty of respectable public high schools in the city, you just have to know which ones (apparently, Irving) not to send your kids to.
--Did anyone else laugh when reading the comment about the mom slapping her child leaving the police station, anyone with an overprotective mother could appreciate that one!--
Read a newspaper: kids kill people all the time. We shouldn't be disturbed by their skin color, we should be disturbed by how many kids have killed their parents, classmates or significant other just this year.
BTW - I went to private school. Some teens are violent regardless of how much their education costs.
As a product of PRVIATE school I can honestly say that you are throwing your money away if thats where you decide to send your kids to school.
as evidenced by your spelling
I went to a specialized, charter H.S. in New York. No one was violent there. Except there was a fight in the cafeteria once--a guy had a fish sandwich squished in his hair.
#31, the police wouldn't be killing a disproportionate number of blacks if they weren't commiting a disproportionate amount of violent crimes. as humans are involved, mistakes are bound to happen at some point and it would be absurd to think that they would be somewhere other than the areas they are most often called to. anyway, the point was that racists like rev al start screaming when a white person does something but never speaks to the root of the problem within his own community.
that comment was probably too absurd to even deserve a response, but some of the antiwar protests in nyc were in the region of half a million people. i do seem to recall a few white folks in there.
#51, The problem with your argument is that the fellow in Queens was not commiting any crime. Neither was Diallo. Abner Louima was breaking up a fight. We are talking about excessive force in those three cases--not whether behavior was informed by statistics. If we accept your argument, one could equally argue that these cops used the same crime statistics, which indicated that blacks commit more crime, as an EXCUSE to use excessive force. You just don't know--that is the problem. So no one can plausibly make any blanket statements about anything.
maybe black people will start protesting black on black crime when white people protest white peoples involvement in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq.
Most (not all) of the deaths in Iraq are Iraqis killing other Iraqis, with Arabs from other nearby states joining in.
50 years ago we would have had all these kids upside down with a fvcking fork up their a$$!
They're niggers! They're niggers! They're niggers! They're niggers!
Hey wait a minute, what happened to my career?
The Gothamist content block is retarded. Look at what Kramer got away with, and I can't even post something about loose m*lfs
Oh yes, and what happened is terrible.
I thought the US army was like 65% black?
I don't know about now but during the first Gulf War it was a commonly accepted myth that blacks were doing all the fighting. Back then the statisitics showed that while blacks were overrepresented in the Army as a whole (that is a larger percentage of the Army was black than the 11-12% of the general population) they were underrepresented on the front line. The reality was that more blacks were joining the military as a career and were doing jobs in support roles. Whites were enlisting for one or two tours either for the money or the adventure and then moving on. As newbies, they were the ones in the infantry. Same for officers. More whites were ROTC for the scholarship money and had no intention of staying past their commitment. They suddenly found themselves in the desert.
God i hate children
why can't we all just laugh, wish more had died, and then go along with our days? as a former straight baller, i can tell you i used to congregate with my thug friends who were about to start fights, and i did it often. and yo, they'd make me fight too, yo. i'm sure humanity just lost one of its best in little ol' taishawn. stereotypes save time. and good work, edEx.
#52, yes, he was probably innocent, but my point is that mistakes are more likely to happen in the neighborhoods where police are called to most. if the community would live responsibly (ie. without violence), the police would have no reason to be in those areas making those mistakes. if that were the case, and excessive force continued disproportionately, you (and rev al) would have a very valid point.
It seems like conservatives are always making strange, amorphous arguments that appear to have a logical foundation but really don't--especially when it comes to acknowledging the effects of past discrimination. It's how they create a catch-22--to give themselves a moral framework for restricting civil rights. But the moral framework is just WEIRD, and their logic (if you believe in logic) ignores details, which is why they are packing up their offices on the Hill.
Poverty, which also affects a disproportionate number of minorities, is an effect of past discimination. Crime is rampant in high poverty areas, whether these areas are predominantly minority or not.
We have a societal problem, which is not any one race's fault.
"the point was that racists like rev al start screaming when a white person does something..."
not that it really matters, but while we seem to be doing racial headcounts here, i thought only two of those six cops were white, the rest were black and hispanic.
Supplementing my previous comment: The societal problem is not any one race's fault. We can each race for some of the problems that have led up to it. However, conservatives, who are typically non-minorities, tend to perpetuate the problem with faulty policies and bizarre concepts.
t seems like conservatives are always making strange, amorphous arguments that appear to have a logical foundation but really don't--especially when it comes to acknowledging the effects of past discrimination. It's how they create a catch-22--to give themselves a moral framework for restricting civil rights. But the moral framework is just WEIRD, and their logic (if you believe in logic) ignores details, which is why they are packing up their offices on the Hill.
Poverty, which also affects a disproportionate number of minorities, is an effect of past discimination. Crime is rampant in high poverty areas, whether these areas are predominantly minority or not.
We have a societal problem, which is not any one race's fault.
Some douchebag always comes along and tries to turn everything into a political issue where there is none.
How about some examples Mr. Expert?
#23,
How do we know Sharpton is a racist?
You could start by asking the folks who remember Freddy's Fashion Mart back in the 80s....
#63, Boy are you smart. Do you need some more boxes?
Al Sharpton don’t like black people.
How do I know? He never does anything to help black people improve themselves. If black people improved the problems in their communities, he would be out of a job