Who Better to Complain to About NYU Profs' "Liberal Bias" Than Fox News?

Haha, College Republican lying just like their "grownup" idols.

For 6 years liberals got to hear the "if you don't like it leave the country" refrain from conservatives. I suggest that it is time for Zerner and Laska to head to some other school rather than trying for 15 mins of fame.

Most of the time at NYU, the people telling conservative students, in my experience, to be quiet were other students.

Hearing it from other students is one thing. Being openly mocked by a professor is another thing - there's a real power issue at play there.

Also, am I the only person who doesn't think of NYU as all that liberal a place? I don't mean that in a bad way at all, it just struck me as a place that was far from monolithic when I was a graduate student there.

democrats are making this country safe- sarcastic

Wow, now it's the Republicans whining.

People hve been complaining about liberal bias on campuses for about a half century.

As for calling it whining, we all know that if the shoe were on the other foot the left would be crying foul as well. The left had a 200,000 person rally during the RNC and claimed they were being stifled. They have been mistreated but to claim their right to speak was denied is ludicrous.

And #11, I don't care what that report says, to say the Iraq war made us unsafe somehow implies we were safe before the war. Two missing towers say otherwise. And don't you dare try to accuse me of linking Saddam to 9/11. I'm not.

12 - the rally during the RNC was dismissively and marginally 'covered' by the supposed 'liberal' media. Fox News probably denied it ever happened.

The point on being safe vs. unsafe is this: the Iraq war has made us LESS safe. I was here on 9/11 so don't tell me who has done less/more. Bush's war is the worst and most wreckless blunder in our history.

Remember the post-9/11 feeling that the world was with us? Gone. Thanks to Bush. You're no realist...you're a sheep.

Youssef Cohen? There's something you don't see every day. That sounds a lot more interesting to me than this whole liberal bias bs.

I'm an NYU graduate (undergrad theater, graduate history), and both of those departments lean more liberal. I always considered NYU more liberal than conservative, but that's probably because of the departments I was in.

#12: for the scale of people involved, it was marginally covered in my opinion. The media has kow-towed to the whiner republicans by covering the 'middle', not the truth.

I am not going to define safe/unsafe and its varying degrees for you. If you cannot see that this Iraq war has made us less safe, then you are lost. You are the the 20-30% that support W. no matter what. Even sadder since you supposedly were here on 9/11. Yes, a sheep.

#17"And you can measure this how exactly? Some people have said we should have dropped several hundred thousand troops into Afghanistan. If that wasn't going to turn into the magnet for foreign fighters that Iraq has I'd like to hear why."

Number 17, you, just like many of the overbearing, underinformed conservatives, need to look into a situation before you start blabbing on about it. You think that the report saying that the Iraq War made us less safe was just a bunch of guesses?

We are less safe than we were before the war? "How can you measure it," this genius asks. Well why not look at how the report measured it? I mean, that would be the intelligent thing to do.

So basically, the reasoning in the report and various other articles that have discussed how horrible this war has been for our safety, have pointed to the facts that:
A) Terrorist recruitment is UP.
B) US forces are spread more thinly and less able to defend the nation, or fight abroad. We're fighting on multiple fronts with overburdened soldiers.
C)Pre-war Iraq, while not an ideal place, was a CONTAINED place. Now, we have basically, an entire country in complete chaos, with foreign nationals coming in and out, and the Taliban/al queada flooding into the country.
D) You mention Afghanistan, but your point is equally as poor thought out as your question. The problem in Iraq isn't JUST that we invaded, but that the civilian leadership was so cocky that they completely ignored the recommendations of their military leaders, and left the country open to this situation. In Iraq, instead of cleaning up as we moved in, we rushed for Baghdad and left behind looters and insurgents who could raid any armories, etc. that we left behind. Just invading Iraq isn't what led to the chaos that now exists, as you seem to allude would have happened had we done the same in Afghanistan, it was the poor management that did us in.
If we had just focused on Afghanistan, where we made a good push to put the Taliban down, where we were actually starting to contain things, this situation would be completely different. Instead, our focus switched, for very little reason, to Iraq, we let the ball drop on Afghanistan, and now both countries are much worse off than they were to begin with. America isn't a better place either.

None of the points above are hard to grasp, but the sad fact is that they are easy to ignore. Conservatives just need to get it through their skulls that if they followed Bush throughout this ordeal, they simply were on the wrong side of logic/history.

Finally, I graduated from NYU last year, and having experienced classes in all of the schools, let me just say that this is just horse-hockey these people on Fox are complaining about. Sure there are liberal professors, (one of mine openly mocked the religious and george bush, but never stifled anyone's ability to rebut him...), but there is definitely a very concentrated conservative bent there. Just attending Stern business classes, there were more kids in classes willing to throw an infant under a bus in order to turn a corporate profit rather than issue a recall on a product than there were tree-huggers, for sure. And as I recall from the Washington Square News, a LOT of space was given to conservatives when discussing political outlooks.

So these kids on Fox News just need to quit their crying and stop acting like 4 year olds. If they want their opinions heard, maybe it's not the fact that liberals are stifling them... maybe they just don't actually have anything intelligent/interesting to say, like lucky poster 17.

Conservatives love the market until it produces a result they don't like. You pay $200,000 to go to NYU and don't like what they're teaching? You should have done your research on the school's product, and you still have the option of transferring, pain-in-the-ass as that may be.

That said, a professor making monkey noises to drown out the protests of a student should not be a professor.

#23: You want to know how Iraq has made us even less safer? It's called the National Intelligence Estimate.

Of course we weren't safe pre-9/11...who is arguing with that? Put away the straw men. The point is that Iraq has made us less safer.

Am I incorrect in thinking that in a private institution, a professor should be allowed to express their views on issues? Isn't that where knowledge comes from? Isn't there something called academic freedom?

In a market economy, you have a choice in where you get educated. If you want a Liberty University type of education, you go to Liberty University. If you want an NYU education, you go to NYU. You know when you apply what you're getting yourself into. If a professor is not a good teacher, you don't take his class.

In addition, I think that Fox News highly exaggerates all these claims, such as liberal professors at liberal universities and the war on Christmas, and make a big deal out of nothing. Fox News wants to portray themselves and their viewers as victims in the society when in reality, they aren't.

"I'm going to say this really so that you and the other guy comprehend it: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN"
So? I said conservative. If that's off the mark... I still don't really care. You're not particularly saying anything of use. Should I say that another way so that you can comprehend it?
"You're twisting my words and you replying to things I have not said. You guys seem to think I am implying that we are SAFER today."
No. I can't speak for whoever else you are typing to, but I am not implying anything. You said earlier "say the Iraq war made us unsafe somehow implies we were safe before the war. Two missing towers say otherwise." Of course, the report said that we were made LESS safe by the Iraq war, not that we went from Safe to Unsafe because of it. So not only are you being a giant hypocrite (you criticizing others for "putting words in your mouth" when you blatantly pass over the actual meaning of the NIE), you're also making a completely worthless argument.

"What I am saying is that we were never that safe to begin with. "
Super, wow, astounding. Please point me to one person on Gothamist who thinks we were SAFE prior to the Iraqi war. Again, you must realize how completely useless the point you were/are trying to make was/is.

"but you guys seem to think Al Qaeda was just going to roll over and play dead after we invaded Afghanistan."
Who is putting words into people's mouths? But the point is, if we had focused on that area, where the brain of al queada was, we'd be in a better place. Fact is, Afghanistan was coming more under order. Now, things have regressed back to worse than they were, because we've shifted focus to Iraq.

"You seem to be implying that with more troops and better management the country would not have become the magnet for terrorism that Iraq is."
Not only am I implying that, but i'm saying if "more troops and better management" had existed in Iraq as well, that country would be in a much better place. Both countries have been devastated by the fact that we blatantly had no plan for finishing the job in either country. We storm into Afghanistan, start calming things down, and forget about it as we move to Iraq. Afghanistan starts funneling down the drain as we storm into Iraq, not worrying about setting up any order in our wake, and look what has happened. You are implying that i'm wrong in that assessment... That's fine, but I think the majority of the generals who've come out and disagreed with the president on this would agree with you, and I certainly don't think the way things were handled worked. So what's your suggestion?

"and notice how I managed to that without insulting anyone?"
Yes, no one takes condescension as an insult...

You want a cookie or something?

But the point is, if we had focused on that area, where the brain of al queada was, we'd be in a better place.

And you can prove this? You seem to be discounting their ability to adapt.