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Hill-arious! Republican Senate hopeful John Spencer denied telling Daily News reporter Ben Smith that he thought opponent Hillary Clinton was ugly and probably had plastic surgery. Spencer did admit to noticing how Clinton's style had changed, but says he never questioned Bill Clinton's decision to marry.
Well, Ben Smith explains how the conversation came about:
Spencer and his wife, Kathy, by chance, sat beside me on a Friday morning JetBlue flight to Rochester. Spencer read The New York Times, I read The New Yorker, and early in the trip, Kathy opened New York magazine to its cover story on Al and Jeanine Pirro, the troubled state attorney general candidate.The other thing Smith points out is that Spencer's campaign manager didn't even deny the quotes prior to publication - campaign manager Rob Ryan only asked Smith to leave out the part about the Pirros. And a Westchester Journal News columnist Phil Reisman told WCBS2 about a pre-debate exchange with Spencer: "He was being facetious and said, 'As long as I don't call her a lesbian, I'm OK.'" Yeah, but saying she's had plastic surgery doesn't help either! Reisman also thinks the words are "classic Spencer".The story prompted John Spencer to offer his opinion that Jeanine was a smart woman with potential, but who listened too closely to her consultants.
He also said that, as a recovering alcoholic, he understood and sympathized with Al's psychological problems.
The casual conversation then turned to a black-and-white picture of Pirro, dated to 1978, that appeared in the magazine. The three of us remarked on how much her looks have changed, and speculated (fairly cattily, on all sides) on whether she'd had "work" - that is, plastic surgery.
"Work?" Spencer interjected. "What about Hillary?"
Spencer then launched into an unprovoked riff about Clinton's appearance.
"You ever see a picture of her back then? Whew," he said of Clinton's youth. "I don't know why Bill married her." He speculated she'd had "millions of dollars" of plastic surgery, and added that she looks good now. Spencer observed that "both of them" [Clinton and Pirro] must have had work done.
The candidate also dwelled on his own comparison between his unvarnished willingness to speak the truth and the heavily managed campaigns of Clinton and Pirro.
Clinton took the high road (easy, in this case), saying that she thougth her high school picture was cute and joked, "Do you want to check for scars?" We have to agree with Gawker - it's unlikely Clinton had plastic surgery as you could only call the surgeon shoddy. But, honestly, it's much easier for men to age - women are compared to movie stars and models all the time and are under much greater scrutiny and propaganda to look younger.
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"women are compared to movie stars and models all the time and are under much greater scrutiny and propaganda to look younger" Someone's got their head in their ass. Women pressure women. It's the Anna Wintour's of the world that forced that shit on women Ok?
Hey - I didn't say that other women were exempt from being part of the problem.
That pockmarked-face, hook-nosed, beer-belly lugging SOB has the NERVE to call someone *else* ugly??? Damn...if more men owned mirrors, this world would be a much better place.
My god I cannot wait for Gothamist to hit 30. You will lose your shit.
I don't knwo what's up with you guys lately. But you are not Gothamist. You are not smart or witty or intelligent. You are writing and thinking like you are 10 years old. Not just this story, but all over the site, quality has gone way downhill.
And as just demonstrated the Commenters can be the most Infantile, Anonymous Idiots.
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Good grief, how come these conversations about which public figure is hot or not are about women 97% of the time? We--as a culture--need to get past this misogynistic nonsense. It helps no one.
It always comes back to the Pirros. They'd f*** up a wet dream (and knowing Al, probably have).
It's no wonder that our leaders suck, because we pay more attention to how people look rather than how well they govern.
Thank you 42 year old. I was going to say, I don't know who is worse, John Spencer's denial in saying something so politically out of touch, or the blogger of this post. Two days in a row, at that.
I don't think that the blog has anything to do with how old Gothamist is or will become. It has more to do with the depth of thinking. You are either clever in your thoughts or you are not. The thinking doesn't get better with time. It gets worse. There is no depth or thought here. Why else would they go to a rag, for what they may think is "factual," "stimulating," "thought provoking" material for the rest of the public re-read and comment on?
ho: "women are compared to movie stars and models all the time and are under much greater scrutiny and propaganda to look younger" In the context of this blog, some woman are compared to movie stars. Some women are so far off that they are not considered at all. However, for sake of the point, looks are important.
What women think is beautiful is not the same for men. I thought Hillary was harder to look at when she was younger. Spencer might just be a freak because he see Hillary's youth and not her looks. But as she has become more public, her personality supersedes her looks. She is a caring, warm, intelligent woman. She is dam smart and a strong thinker. Bill Clinton would not have made it to the Governor's Mansion in Arkansas or the White House without her.
America wouldn't consider voting for a woman that looked like Marilyn Monroe, Farrah Fawcett, Halle Barri, or Rupal or Lena Horne, all women except Rupal in drag. They wouldn't be strong people for consideration because we can not sense their intelligence. There looks have been force fed to us.
However, they might consider, Katherine Hepburn, Mae West, Madiline Albricht, Hillary Clinton, Bette Davis, Diane Carroll to name a few. They are all famous woman who's intelligence is larger then the camera.
I take umbrage when people repeatedly refer to andrew cuomo as a herman munster lookalike. can't we enact laws to police this kind of talk.
The rampant misogyny and double standards that we subject women to make me sick!
Beauty is truth, truth beauty,
—that is all Ye know on earth,
and all ye need to know.
Hal2814: whatever that is. it does have a nice ring.
John Spencer = dumb ass extraordinaire
Do we really need another politician in Congress who says/does stupid things and then lies about their actions? (rhetorical question)
I meant to write lies about *his* actions.
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take a look through the presidential past. if the public had the media we have today to show us how short, fat, bald, sweaty, ugly or crippled a lot of those men were, they never would have gotten elected. regardless of qualification. the pressure is not only on women and by claiming so, you only perpetuate this so called 'misogyny'.
Dug,
I disagree. The pressure may also be on men but not nearly to the extent that it is on women. The American Presidential past has strictly been a man's territory throughout history. Do you really think that if you polled Americans (at almost any point in the past or present) and asked them what was more important in a president: looks or qualification, that most people would answer looks? I don't. But a woman's looks or qualifications cannot be debated in this instance since there has never been a female president. Yet.
I also do understand that we ALL perpetuate misogyny, consciously or unconsciously.
condoleezaa.
nuff said.
A bit of Keats can't hurt, especially when there's mudslinging about.
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These news reporters are all trouble makers, and let’s get one thing straight, John Spencer did not call Hillary Clinton ugly, the HEADLINES said that, not John Spencer. Readers better start reading between the lines if they want the truth. These News Reporters soul their souls to the devil. Ben Smith is better known as “The Rat Boy” and Phil Reisman is better known as “The Brown Noser” so take it from where it comes from.
1. The conversation was private between two man.
2. John Spencer did not talk like that on national TV, did he? The Camera Lens doesn’t lie people do.
All of you, who never talked sarcastic or witty in a conversation beween you and another person, throw the first stone.
The News threw out the bate and you readers went for it.
John Spencer is a down to earth, witty, and completely reachable guy.
Honestly, he did not say anything to be cruel, that was just his way of complimenting Hillary, “She looks a lot better now, she must of had some work done.” That’s like saying to a fat person, “Wow you look good, you lost a lot of weight, you use to binge before, how did you stop doing that?” It was a compliment!
Trust me, News Reporters are nothing more than trouble makers.
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Barbara Ricci, yeah, whatever. The rest of this thread was really funny.
Irritated, I also thought that it was kinda funny that ole pock face alleged that Hillary had a couple of face lifts. Maybe he too would be a senator if he took her lead and tried to improve his looks.
Yes, politics and government has descended to abyss. But this is what the public wants. Not an astute governor but a likeable, great-looking candidate. John fails on both accounts so I doubt he'll get elected.
Whatever happens happens. I'm all for funny however, let's keep it real. Remember, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." John Spencer's wife thinks he's sexy, and Hillary Clinton's husband "The President" thinks she's sexy. I love the way you cowards hide your names when you make cruel statements. Show yourself if you want to be credible.
la leone, of course nobody's actually going to admit that looks are important but that's the reality. for both sexes. it never has been MORE important or else we'd have supermodel presidents. you make the problem worse claiming that it's merely a gender issue. it is a respect issue. people get descriminated against because of their looks. period. you can't claim that all men have it easier than all women so there's no sense in being divisive. pretty girls have it easier than ugly boys and vice versa. it's about individuals, not groups.
Like I said, Mr. Spencer wants some of hil's stuff ! Because we all know Bill doesn't want it !
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