
Investigators have spent the hours after a plane, carrying Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor Tyler Stanger, crashed into an Upper East Side building gathering evidence from the street. Federal transportation investigators believe that the single engine Cirrus SR 20 was trying to make a U-turn when it turned left over the East River, based on something either Lidle or Stanger told an official at Teterboro Airport. According to radar, the plane had flown over the East River at an altitude of 700 feet and was at 500 feet a quarter mile north of 524 East 72nd Street.
There's some question about how familiar Stanger was with NYC aviation rules. Stanger was an experienced and enthusiastic pilot, but may have only flown over NYC once before. It's still unclear who was steering the plane, and it's possible investigators never know. But it turns out that there is a clause in Lidle's Major League Baseball insurance policy which says the accidental death insurance of $1.05 million is excluded "any incident related to travel in an aircraft ... while acting in any capacity other than as a passenger." Lidle's friends say he was probably trying to get a look at the stadium before flying back to California to join his wife and son.
And after reading the NY Times' description of flight rules, things do seem to be confusing:
An Air Defense Identification Zone similar to that in place in Washington was briefly enforced over the New York area after 9/11, but was rescinded. According to federal aviation officials, such restrictions are established in consultation with the Transportation Security Administration and other agencies, as part of a “risk-based approach.”Governor Pataki wanted the FAA to "extend indefinitely" the East River airspace restriction the agency placed after the crash (the FAA didn't). Other politicians have suggested that NYC's airspace be more restricted, but the Mayor opposes that, noting the bigger picture of air traffic issues. The Mayor, who does have his pilot's license, said, "If you want to look at the numbers, we have very few accidents for an awful lot of traffic. And any time you have an automobile accident, you're not going to go and close the streets or prohibit people from driving." Of course, Senator Charles Schumer found occasion to freak out, saying, "A smart terrorist could fly right up the Hudson, or right up the East River, no questions asked."As a result, small planes like Mr. Lidle’s and helicopters of all sorts have remained free to fly close to New York City’s monuments, bridges and buildings. They also frequently receive permission to fly directly over the city, at altitudes above 2,000 feet, according to air traffic controllers. If they stay above 7,000 feet, they can fly across Manhattan and the other boroughs without permission.
And corridors like the ones over the New York rivers, where no permission is needed, are common around the country, aviation officials said. The reason, in New York and elsewhere, is in part to accommodate small planes that would otherwise have to fly hundreds of miles to avoid major cities and their large airports.
Chicagoist's pilot-in-residence, Todd McClamroch, wrote about general aviation in Chicago in the wake of the crash. And he flew up the Hudson River earlier this year, and took this picture:
And, in a strange, strange twist of fate, the plane landed in the bedroom of Kathleen Caronna. She is the woman who was in a month long coma after the Thanksgiving Day parade Cat in the Hat balloon hit a streetlamp and fell on top of her, fracturing her skull. Caronna was on her way home.
Top photograph of detectives looking for evidence by Bebeto Matthews/AP; inset photograph of Stanger by David Prado/AP; and bottom photograph by Todd McClamroch





That is horrible luck for that lady. First the Macy's parade and now Cory Lidle. I wouldn't be surprised if she left NY after this.
I agree with Mojo, perhaps Kathleen Caronna should consider getting out of New York. Death just keeps swinging that scythe at her (fortunately he has bad aim).
She left a hat on a bed.
According to the Daily news, Caronna had sued the city and Macy's for $395 million but settled for "an unspecified amount." I wonder if she bought the apartment with the settlement proceeds.
I think that for the four plane crashes into NYC buildings (one being 9/11, which doesn't count as an accident, needless to say), there's no reason to go hog-wild and restrict airspace willy nilly. I agree with Bloomberg. To me, if someones wants to do a 9/11 again, believe me, no damned air restrictions will stop them. Being sensible about flying over and around NYC is the most important thing.
Lidle and Stanger (what a cutie, damn!) got lost in the clouds and tried to turn around... and being lost in fog and clouds are the main causes of these types of accidents happening in NYC.
And as to the Caronna lady, I feel way sorry for her. Two mishaps like that are a bit much for the system.
Jen, the article also said that she "had no where to go." I hope her settlement money will help her find somewhere to go. And I certainly hope they had apartment insurance... but is something like "plane crashing into home" covered by insurance? Hmmmm....
Do the terrorists really need a "no fly zone" to exploit? Seems to me they could chat away with air traffic controllers and then divert at the last minute. What would stop them from renting 20 Gulfstreams and file flight plans into Teterboro? Just like 9/11 it would be over before anyone knew what happened.
I'm a pilot, and I've flown the very same route as Lidle and his instructor, except that my flight continued eastward across Manhattan and then back to Teterboro.
The Times' explanation does seem confusing, but that's because most reporters aren't pilots and have a hard time trying to explain to their readers admittedly complex FAA regulations (which the reporters themselves rarely understand).
An accident like this is a great opportunity for a politician to jump up and say, something has to be done! But let's look at it objectively. Incidents like this are extraordinarly rare, even given the amount of air traffic around the city. Using a four-seat airplane as a terrorist weapon is rather absurd given that its useful load is usually a thousand pounds or less, including the pilot (you can do a lot more damage with a Chevy van). And if you want to lower the numbers of accidental deaths in the city, it makes a lot more sense to start with bicyclists and pedestrians, who end up getting killed with far greater frequency than pilots.
Freaking Charles Schumer never met a camera he didn't like.
You know, the guy was a NY Yank but that really doesn't mean shit here.
I wanna know why the pilot (whoever he was) didn't ditch into the East River, which barring any structural failure of the aircraft itself, he could probably have acheived?.
WHATEVER the reason for this latest clusterfuck, millions of people in NYC have already gone thru TOO MUCH crap, what with the airplanes-crashing-into-buildings thingy that's become popular lately.
The rest of us earthbound folk DO NOT want to have to live in constant fear of some dumbass pilot wanting to fly over his midtown condo to get an aerial view of the geraniums on his terrace, only to wind-up ass-up on Times Square or something.
NOTHING SHOULD FLY OVER NYC ANYMORE.
Well, except cops and shit, of course.