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A helicopter has crashed into a building on East 72nd. It was thought to be a small plane, but now reports say it is a helicopter. The helicopter seems to have crashed into 524 East 72nd Street, a residential apartment building. CNN is saying there are no reports of terrorism or hijacking.
Update: Dan Dickinson says it smells like smoke three blocks away and that traffic is screwed.
Update: NY1 is reporting that 3-4 apartments are engulfed in flames.
Update: Victims are apparently trapped in the building; reports say there is at least one DOA. Heavy debris is falling as well. And the building at 524 East 72nd Street is the Belaire Building. Nearby: The Hospital for Special Surgery (it's unclear whether the hospital was hit).
Update: Workers are apparently trapped on the roof of the building. We also hear that the streets are packed with people, many taking cameraphone pictures.
The MTA is reporting that bus service in the area will experience some delays.
Update: City and the FDNY have confirmed that a helicopter crashed into the building. WABC 7 reports that the helicopter was flying in "exclusion airspace."
All local news channels have joined NY1 and CNN with live coverage. A witness told WNBC, "There's huge pieces of debris falling. There's so much falling now, I've got to get away." WCBS 2 reports that a helictoper had been in the air for a photography tour, "but there is NO confirmation that that is the aircraft which collided into the building."
Update: CNN reports that air patrols are being deployed. And the FAA says it was a fixed wing aircraft that crashed into the building; NORAD says they were not tracking any aircraft.
Update: WNBC 4 is reporting that some people saw airplane/seaplane/helicopter made a sharp right turn into the building. Luggage was found on street along with two bodies and the wheels of the aircraft. And according to the WNBC.com website:
Christine Monaco, a New York spokeswoman for FBI, said there wasn't indication of terrorism in the crash, but that officials "have been sent to the scene as a routine." FAA spokesman Jim Peters said all three New York City-area airports are operating normally.The FDNY have also raised this a four alarm fire, which means 16 engine and 9 ladder companies have responded; most of the fire has been extinguished.
A WNBC reporter said that a FDNY official also said the "penetration" of the crash wasn't significant - meaning that the aircraft doesn't seem to have compromised the structure.
Update: Alex Wallace, who is a VP at NBC News and happened to be dropping off her child in the area, had originally thought it was a helicopter because of the piece of aircraft that fell. She described to WNBC that it looked like the plane made a turn and seemed to make a nosedive into the side of the building. WNBC's Tim Minton mentioned a witness who said it seemed like a plane had been doing "tricks" in the air.
Update: NBC reports the aircraft was a single engine plane from Teterboro. WNBC mentioned that the tags on the luggage said "White Plains" (perhaps bound for White Plains).
Update: A total of four people have been confirmed dead - two people from the plane, two people from the building. Additionally, the aircraft was a Cirrus 20, which supposedly has a parachute for emergencies. (When we thought that type of plane sounded familiar, it was because the owner of Kartell died in a Cirrus SR20 last month.)
Update: It's unclear who owns the plane; it seems to have been owned by a Florida man who was in the process of selling it. And on WNBC, they have been introduced a "concerning report" that the plane could have been purchased by Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle, who had purchased a $187,000 Cirrus SR20 recently and only got his pilot license in the off-season (here's a NY Times article that discusses Lidle and his plane), based on information on the tail.
Gawker has some photographs of the building on fire (you can see charring on the sides) and Curbed as a pre-crash photograph of the building.
Update: Nine people, including four firefighters, were admitted to New York Hospital. The hospital also said there was one DOA - unclear that was included in the nine.
Update: Law enforcement confirmed that a member of the Yankees organization was on board the plane.
Update: NY Times says "Yankees Pitcher Cory Lidle Was Killed in the Plane Crash, High-Ranking City Official Says." Lidle's passport was found on the street.
Lidle spoke with Mike and the Mad Dog on Monday, discussing whether or not he had blamed Joe Torre for the loss in quotes after Game 4; the interview is still on WFAN.com.
Update: During interviews, Governor Pataki says that air space may need to be restricted after this (question being, why are aircrafts allowed to fly so low and close to buildings?). Additionally, it seems that Lidle did have a visual flying license (able to fly in good weather with visibility of 3 miles) but not an instrument license (more about pilot certification from Wikipedia).
Update: Mayor Bloomberg is having a press conference. He confirms that two people were aboard - one was a flight instructor, the other was a student with about 75 hours of experience. (He does not mention Cory Lidle at all and shut down any questions about it saying they do not know.) The damage to 524 East 72nd was relatively small because the plane itself was a lightweight composite plane. The Mayor also credited the FDNY and NYPD with their response and cooperation with each other.
The plane's route from Teterboro: Statue of Liberty, then up the East River, past the 59th Street bridge where it lost radar contact. Exclusion zone means planes just needs visual contact, but doesn't need to be in contact with air traffic.
The NTSB is on site. The building is being re-occupied. Mayor Bloomberg asks that everyone pray, but also noted that we were lucky it wasn't a bigger accident with more injuries.
The Mayor also mentioned that two people were able to escape the building when the plane crashed (were only two people killed - the two on board the plane - now?).
Update: A distress call was made before the crash. Mets players, getting ready for their game tonight, tell reporters they are sad and send out their prayers to the Lidle family and Yankees organization. The Yankees have not made an official statement yet (their website did link about the MLB.com story about Lidle possibly being dead, but now it's gone), but MLB.com has put his picture up with "March 22, 1977 - October 11, 2006" on the homepage with this article.
Update: NBC is reporting the Lidle is confirmed dead.
Photograph on middle right of 524 East 72nd Street by Frank Franklin/AP; photograph above with detail of a floor at 524 East 72nd Street by Jeff Christensen/AP; photograph of Lidle by Gail Burton/AP
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CNN is saying that it's a small plane, and that the incident occurred on East 71st Street. I'm guessing that it's going to take a little while for the details to come to light.
CNN is saying that it's a small plane, and that the incident occurred on East 71st Street. I'm guessing that it's going to take a little while for the details to come to light.
FUCK!
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!
Brownpants Time! Thanks CNN for making everyone shit their pants.
Reports are stronger with the helicopter detail; they have a tight shot of the apartments (looks like two floors, two units) engulfed in flames, but it also looks like the FDNY is already in there (it's really quite something -- you can see what looks like chemical suppressant or water coming out the window).
I hope this doesn't intefere with subway service out to Shea Stadium tonight!!
It's obviously Clinton's fault.
Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god
Who cares. The less you care, the more likely transportation is going to run on time - and isn't that what really matters?
How am I going to get to the airport now?
I can't take a cab like you peons. I want my chopper, chop chop.
Let's try a little sensitivity people. I doubt the game tonight is as important as the lives that could be lost. Human lives are involved here; and jokes are not appropriate now.
All manner of emergency service personnel--fire, police, hazmat, ambulance, etc. all headed uptown on 3rd, in groups, one after another.
Looks like they're on it.
wow people. CNN isn't (at least the screen page gothamist's showing) saying it's terrorism. the fact is people are trapped and dead or dying. have a little concern, it's still a terrible accident.
but yes, the most important issue now is whether the 7 is running. ah, the compassion of new yorkers.
*Who cares. The less you care, the more likely transportation is going to run on time - and isn't that what really matters?*
it amazes me there are so many of you who are so cold.
Does this mean our airspace is unprotected?
Jesus, I live at 73rd and York. Wonder what I'll come home to.
no but CNN is saying things like-
"This is right near the UN"
"This is close to Laguardia"
"Isn't Sothabes Auction House there?" and my favorite:
"9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11" "9/11"
It is like they have one dude who visited NYC on his high school class trip as their NYC "expert"
Just walked over there: lots of firefighters, policemen, ambulances (a hospital is 2 blocks away). Lots of smoke. Traffic is REALLY backed up.
wow kirsten, no one cares that you live nearby. NO ONE.
show the slightest bit of compassion for those involved in the accident. i love how everyone automatically thinks about themsevles *and then feels the need to actually post it on gothamist*
I think the a-holes here are trying to mask some fear they may have, by making light of this. I don't think anyone thinks this is terrorists, but it's a terrible accident. Let's not jump on something that doesn't even exist.
good luck, kirsten, i hope your apt is not on fire.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Police say an aircraft has crashed into a building on Manhattan's Upper East Side at 72nd Street and York Avenue. It is near Rockefeller Center.
Yes...if by "near" you mean "in a completely different part of town."
CNN sucks.
The subway better be fucking running is all I'm saying
Has anyone else noticed that whenever something happens, NY1.com goes down (1010wins is down too). Doesn't anyone, at, say, Time Warner notice this and maybe figure upgrading servers would be a good idea?
Well I'd rather crack a joke instead of flipping out and worrying about terrorism, like CNN is making it out to be. Let's wait for details before we get the body count going.
CNN's website even says its "near Rockefeller Center" and the Hudson River...
Heard from a friend who is working in the HSS building that the main hospital building itself was not hit. They have a cafeteria and other facilities on the first floor of the Belaire building which was evacuated as soon as all this happened.
Hey, time to visit the rental office at the Bel Aire and get a nice discount on a lease! "Just a little smoke damage"
Panic and real estate joking aside, I'm almost positive that people died in this incident, at the very least in the helicopter. My prayers go to the victims families, and let's hope the casualty count in this incident is minimized.
I don't care about the Met game, ok I do,
But for the love of God, don't have that bald Tenor sing God Bless America.
I like your CNN observation, CNN is as bad as Fox nowadays.
al qaeda? i don't think so. just another bitter end to a divorce related property struggle.
Hmmm... today is 10/11.
This is clearly the work of Gozar the Traveler.
You mean the AP sucks. Although I'm sure CNN sucks too.
Drudgereport: "It's a Fixed Wing Aircraft NOT a helicopter." You can smell smoke on 54th and 3rd.
"It's obviously Clinton's fault."
ha hahahahhahahahah
This is not funny at all but man that comment sure was.
helicopters are the dumbest way to travel, not to mention dangerous and polluting
unbelievable... shouldn't the federal government be on this..
aircraft flying in exclusion airspace.
goddammit... just demonstrates we are still fucked for national security. could've had a nuclear bomb in it. jeez
our government sucks.
i was outside smoking on 8th st. around 2:15 or so. my companion and i noticed a low-flying, quite loud helicopter - so low and loud that it was definitely out of the ordinary. anybody else? I only saw it for a second.
...probably isn't the same, but, hmm...
no one's talking about Mark Foley now...
Is there a ferry that goes to Shea?
Cell Phone service is spotty.
I'm wondering is it effecting Matinee Wednesday.
Wow, this Hope those apts were empty...
Hope it wasn't another Suicide like in Florida a few years ago.
what websites are people using to track this? i've been refreshing nytimes and cnn..
i want turkey for dinner
"NEW YORK (AP) -- Police say an aircraft has crashed into a building on Manhattan's Upper East Side at 72nd Street and York Avenue. It is near Rockefeller Center."
The AP staffer is just senimental and bummed that the AP is no longer at Rock Center. Now they have to schlep all the way over to 33rd and 10th.
Gotta love the eyewitness reports from all the people who sounds like George Costanza's parents. They are more accurate than most of the newspeople.
does anyone know there was a five alarm fire in the bronx this morning? it took up half a block and a several major intersections were closed. i looked for information online today and there was nothing. it is a commercial area though so probably no one was injured--i hope. not to undermine what happened on e. 72nd today, but what about news coverage for "other" parts of this crazy town?
i love the juxtoposition of this and "What's Fresh - Brocolli".
um - "...there WASN'T any indication of terrorism..."
They could be talking about the Rockefeller University medical center, which is right near there.
CNN must have meant Rockefeller University, which is nearby (67th and York). (www.rockefeller.edu)
I shit you not- the female anchor on CNN just said that the building is located "on East 72nd street; about mid-way between Wall Street and UPSTATE NEW YORK." Man it is great that the reporters from Atlanta are covering this.
I like cheese.
"wow kirsten, no one cares that you live nearby. NO ONE.
show the slightest bit of compassion for those involved in the accident. i love how everyone automatically thinks about themsevles *and then feels the need to actually post it on gothamist*"
Wow, Mara, you're a fkng btch!
I HATE CNN
You might want to change that last quote to "WANS'T any indication of terrorism".
Went down there, it's on the 20th floor or so...fire is all but out, York Ave is a mobscene.. here's some pics:
http://velvet-sea.blogspot.com/2006/10/plane-crash-into-upper-east-side.html
It is near Rockefeller UNIVERSITY, something CNN apparently gleaned from maps.google.com.
yeah, but black people live there.
CNN's homepage headline:
"Planes crashes into N.Y. building"
I mean really...
way to copy the ONE KEY WORD from the WNBC report wrong:
Christine Monaco, a New York spokeswoman for FBI, said there was indication of terrorism in the crash, but that officials "have been sent to the scene as a routine." FAA spokesman Jim Peters said all three New York City-area airports are operating normally.
WASN'T! The word is WASN'T NOT WAS!
Typos cause panics...
you wrote:
Christine Monaco, a New York spokeswoman for FBI, said there was indication of terrorism in the crash...
the article says:
Christine Monaco, a New York spokeswoman for FBI, said there wasn't any indication of terrorism in the crash...
thanks for actually covering this
10-11-06. Read that date upside down.
BX you're absolutely right, but the fact that it was a plane crash and evokes fears of a certain day about five years ago probably explains why this is in the news.
Has anyone else noticed increased police presence in the subways the past two days? Maybe someone knew something. I got on the N/R at 49th, the F at 14th and the 2/3 at Grand Army Plaza and saw cops checking bags at each place. I haven't seen police checking bags, period, in months...
october surprise!
90-11-01?
Okay, it is REALLY stupid that every time there is some kind of 'disaster', it's ALL ABOUT 9/11! For fuck's sake, this has NOTHING to do with 9/11!
Also, I laughed at the "It's Clinton's fault" joke, and the "Rockerfeller Center" thing, too. But I also hope nobody was hurt, since my best friend lives in NYC.
Gothamist, you misquoted the WNBC story... it says that there WASN'T any indication of terrorism. Not that there was indication of terrorism, as you quoted. Please be careful. The truth is scary enough.
Uh, why does your main page say "...a New York spokeswoman for FBI, said there was indication of terrorism in the crash."?
Way to say the EXACT opposite of the truth and what is needed to be said.
PROOFREAD for God's sake.
cindybd04:
YES, I noticed a heightened presence both yesterday & today. Double the norm at my stops. Also, it seemed like there were a lot more police, etc. outside the courthouses downtown yesterday.
Dude, planes into buildings is Sooooo 2001.
Primary search from 42nd floor up is clear. FDNY Air didn't see anyone on the roof.
illy: that is some creepy stuff!
p.s. your coffee is da best!
I shit you not- the female anchor on CNN just said that the building is located "on East 72nd street; about mid-way between Wall Street and UPSTATE NEW YORK." Man it is great that the reporters from Atlanta are covering this.
LOLLLLL!! idiot reports.
I've been seeing state police aboard Metro North trains within the past week. They haven't done that in a quite some time.
90-11-01?
[62] Posted by: a | October 11, 2006 3:55 PM
Hey, a, way to drive the nutjobs totally insane!
wait wait. no it's not creepy anymore. 10-11-09 upside-down is 90-11-01.
but illy coffee is yummy, for sure.
None of the news channels has anyone paying attention. The other day MSNBC reported on the California governor's debate as the Sunshine State Showdown. Five minutes later it was corrected to Golden State.
"10-11-06. Read that date upside down."
I am SO SURE, illy! A helicopter crash in an apartment is NOT even CLOSE to the 9/11 attacks! Get over it!
DEAR GOD!!! WHERE'S GUILIANI???!!! RUDY, OUR CITY TURNS ITS SHAKEN EYES TO YOU!!!
CNN has Wolf Blitzer talking to Anderson Cooper on the scene. Did Anderson Cooper rush back from Africa for this?
Thanks scanners, I had been wondering about that.
I hope I didn't die in this one...
The receptionist at Shoreline Aviation said it wasn't their plane. They only had one flight into the East Side Marine/Air terminal this morning.
Now CNN is running old footage showing the fire (it's out now) but with old graphics saying it's a plane.
Actually the "was"/"wasn't" typo was in the original report. I saw it on the source website and about crapped, until I realized it was a typo.
Illy, that's really creepy.
there was a cop at my station this morning too. but anyway.... don't think that's related.
the CNN chick also called 30-something street the lower east side. jesus.
why did i have to move to brooklyn when i work in midtown. i have to take the frakkin subway everyday.
someone set off a stink bomb in the car i was on the other day. idiots.
Is everyone Locked and Loaded?
Does this mean apartments near heliports will see a drop in prices?
Is 72nd street midway between Wall street and Albany?
For those defending CNN, this is from their latest article (cut and pasted, not retyped):
"There was no word on casualties. NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) said it had put fighter aircraft into the air over numerous U.S. cities, though they said they had no reason to believe the event in New York was anything more than an accident, sources told CNN's Barbara Starr. It did the same thing after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/11/plane.crash/index.html
Stock markets dipped and recovered. And isn't that what's really important?
And half way to upstate is way off since most readers of Gothamist don't venture north of 96th.
on cnn.com: "Plane hits N.Y. high-rise; sparks death, fear, fire"
let's keep this country scared. jesus...c'mon now!
"it amazes me there are so many of you who are so cold." Hey you are right.
..............N. Y. C...........
...........Nobody...Yearning...Concern........
Alex Rodriguez really fucked up this time.
You mean 96th Street isn't upstate?
Channell 4 now says two dead on the street from the plane, two dead in the building. Probably just sitting on the couch watching TV. Damn.
Illy, your delicous coffee nonwithstanding, that is totally creepsville.
CNN, get a map of Manhattan, please.
Everyone else, stop freaking out, and breathe.
Peter King says terrorism cannot be completely ruled out because this day and age....
"NBC reports the aircraft was a single engine plane from Teterboro. WNBC mentioned that the tags on the luggage said "White Plains" (perhaps bound for White Plains)."
That's a really strange trajectory to fly over the city from Teterboro, on it's way to Westchester Airport.
how about the "York" River on CNN and Sheppie calling JFK JRK Jr (kidya not) airport
""wow kirsten, no one cares that you live nearby. NO ONE.
show the slightest bit of compassion for those involved in the accident. i love how everyone automatically thinks about themsevles *and then feels the need to actually post it on gothamist*"
Wow, Mara, you're a fkng btch!"
I admit, it was a little harsh- but I was just shocked that people are so concerned with whats going on outside of their own apartments as opposed to thinking about the people that were in the apartments that were hit by the plane when it happened. its called compassion... something a bit rare here in manhattan
I just heard 4 are confirmed dead. My condolences to the family & friends of those who died in this terrible incident--what a horrible way to die.
Pataki in the house on CNN!
bangladesh, its not that we're insensitive, its just that laughter is the best medicine, and if you can laugh at this you will just let the fear overcome you instead, and that's not a good thing either!
"why did i have to move to brooklyn when i work in midtown. i have to take the frakkin subway everyday."
I see someone's been watching too much Battlestar Galactica lately.
To someone who is not used to NYC, 30th Street on the East River would seem like the Lower East Side of the island. I am sure she didn't mean Tonic or Sine.
WNBC's Chuck Scarborrough is really on the ball.
He really knows his aviation, I guess he's a pilot himself. That's why we love our Chuck and Sue.
Not sure if it's correct but WNBC just said it was the 39th floor.
Fire under control in under 90 minutes; The FDNY seriously did the fine job they always do.
Mara...it's time to be quiet.
How does a plane unintentionally hit smack into the middle of a building?
I mean its almost exactly in the center of the friggin building.
[66] Posted by: DC | October 11, 2006 3:58 PM
Thank you. First intelligent observation.
Same with my building. Police presence all week.
Is this the plane?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cirrus.sr20.g-cdly.arp.jpg
First JFK Jr. gets lost for years and now he can't even find the landing strip.
Schadenfreudian Mensch: Veronica Mars actually :)
Apparently these types of planes have parachute emergency features....
pataki is completely useless. he probably doesn't know where either 96th street or albany are.
Center of the building, not to mention that the position of the building would require the plane to pass between two other high-rises (the black and the white about a block north). Or else at a very sharp angle from the river. Check out live.local birdseye or maps.google to see what I mean.
[75] Tim N. RUDY, OUR CITY TURNS ITS SHAKEN EYES TO YOU!!!
Better get that nystagmus checked out Timmy.
...registered from an individual in Lakeland FL and flew out of Teterboro Airport in NJ....was allowed clearance to fly in that airspace/corridor... hit side of building, did not enter building...
def. sounds like an accident...
Smack in the middle -- and the location of the building requires the plane to fly between two nearby highrises to the north (or else come in from the river at a very sharp angle). Check live.local or maps.google to see what I mean. Still, if this were intentional, why such a mundane target?
90-11-01. SWEET JESUS! That's my locker combination from 5th grade. That is INSANE! What does it mean. OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!!oneone11
Sorry Jack Cafferty but New York does not have the best cancer hospital in the world. What a homer!
IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT! THE TERRORISTS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY NEW YORK A FEW PEOPLE AT A TIME! 9/11! 9/11!
"..And half way to upstate is way off since most readers of Gothamist don't venture north of 96th."
[87] Posted by: capital assessment | October 11, 2006 4:11 PM
__________
Speak for yourself. I have been up to at least 99th. Got plans for 100th tonight.
10/11/ 6 upside down is 9/11/01
"did not enter building"???? WTF does that mean.
WNBC says FAA records indicate Corey Lidle was the prospective buyer for this plane.
10/11/6 upside down is 9/11/01
Passive Aggresive- thy name is Mara
WNBC is reporting that Corey Lidle bought the the plane? Is this George trying to steal the backpages from the Mets?
Len berman saying Cory Lidle would rather fly his own plane than to fly on the Team plane,
Can you say, No world series for the Yankees again.
Let's go Mets. TEAMWORK!
Yea, but 10/11/6 means we're in fraking year 6 AD fool
Wow. I just heard there's a Yankee who may have owned this aircraft, who just got his flying license.... oh no...does anyone know who Corey Lietl is? Not sure about the spelling... is he a player or an owner?
No, why bother to proofread? Old-school journalism is for old people and suckers! We are hip! We don't need editors or proofreaders! FAST is what's important. RIGHT is irrelevant. We take our cues from Fox News, not the AP Stylebook! LONG LIVE GOTHAMIST!
This is getting Odder: According to WNBC, the plane was being Considered for purchase and may have been bought by Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle.
They are stressing this is based on the tail number from several sources and No one knows for sure who owned it or even if the Tail Number is accurate.
He's a pitcher.
69 upside down is 69!
now smoke my pole
I guess everything must be cleared up with that Foley dude and North Korea, then.
Sorry, he's a Met...
yeah i just heard the news too. "Yankees Pitcher Corey Lidle confirmed to have been the pilot of a plane that flew into the side of a New York City Upper East Side building."
On Monday, Corey Lidle mouthed off about the Yanks "not being prepared" for the Tigers series."
Lesson. Don't F with Joe Torre. He's coming back and kicking some ass.
"Apparently these types of planes have parachute emergency features...."
http://www.cirrusdesign.com/aircraft/safety/
weird! the whole airplane has a parachute.
i know very little about these things, but parachutes don't always work as expected, but i bet it would be difficult to use any kind of parachute during unconrolled flight.
See it was intentional Lidle decided to spare Yankee fans more of his horrendous pitching next year
A professional ball player owned the plane? Condo owners insurance companies issue big sigh of relief as there will be someone to sue.
THE YANKEES HATE FREEDOM
They just knocked on the window...
Police just confirmed Cory Lidle was on it.
This thing is getting more bizarre by the minute.
Now come the inevitable Thurman Munson references.
uuh oh, It may be cory lidle in the plane.
All we know is a member of the NY Yankees org was on the plane.
, Let's go mets.
there was another CNN typo- it's not that terrorism is suspected, they meant Tara Reid. She was drunk behind the wheel. And showing her boobies because she the only jet setter.
Have you not heard of Memorial Sloan Kettering or do you know nothing of New York City?
Don Zimmer was on the plane and I shot it down WITH MY BARE HANDS
Sorry Jack Cafferty but New York does not have the best cancer hospital in the world. What a homer!
[117] Posted by: cnn sucks balls | October 11, 2006 4:34 PM
_________
New York does have the best Cancer Hospital. I hope that you never have to find out.
"there will be someone to sue"
no there won't you jackass moron, the only liable person IS DEAD YOU SHITFACE
High-ranking NYC official: NY Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle killed in crash.
"Have you not heard of Memorial Sloan Kettering or do you know nothing of New York City?"
Yes, I have heard of it and no, it's not the best. Typical New York attitude that if it's here it has to be the best.
NY Times: Breaking News 4:52 PM ET: Yankees Pitcher Cory Lidle Was Killed in the Plane Crash, High-Ranking City Official Says
"there will be someone to sue"
no there won't you jackass moron, the only liable person IS DEAD YOU SHITFACE
---------------
You sue the estate, JACKASS. I guess you were absent from the law school the day they taught law.
OT, but what do you think the best Cancer center is??
I don't know about MSK but I'm very happy with my cancer treatment from St. Luke's Roosevelt.
They were agressive in their treatment plan and it paid off.
Yes, Sloan Kettering is the best because New Yorkers say so. Not because IT IS. Dork.
via ESPN: Yankees' Lidle Dies In Plane Crash
Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the pilot of a small airplane that crashed into a 50-story condominium in Manhattan and Lidle is one of four confirmed dead, according to the New York medical examiner's office.
For the idiot who has never heard of Sloan Kettering:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/rankings/specihqcanc.htm
Google: it's free.
Various media reports confirm Cory Lidle was on the plane
see this: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860
Todays date upside down is 9/11/01
This story has become unbelievably sad. I'm not sure there's anything more to say. How truly terrifying. How devastating. My heart hurts.
One can only hope that real estate prices in that area go down. Wait. it's the east side? fuck. Only blacks and latinos in projects live there. Damn. why couldn't it be west side.
Is there any confirmation on which floor the plane hit? I'm hearing 20th from some, 40th from other.
"today's date upside down is 9-11-01"
YEAH 'CAUSE THAT BASEBALL PLAYER IS TOTALLY A TERRORIST! OMG RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
I can't read this anymore. YOU COULD TURN ANYTHING INTO A REASON TO COMPARE THIS TO 9/11 YOU NUT-JOBS!
That's not a 'good' area.
RIP Cory!!
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And here is the stupidest comment ever:
Former NTSB director Jim Hall said in a telephone interview he doesn't understand how a plane could get so close to a New York City building after Sept. 11.
The answer is obvious: There is a VFR corridor along the rivers. You can get very close to Manhattan buildings. You'd think the former NTSB director would know this!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860
Man. Corey Lidle was a terrorist. What a bummer.
524 E 72nd St
7+2 = 9
5+2+4 = 11
WHOA!
Anonymass being his/her usual jerk of a poster. I never said I had not heard of Sloan Kettering. And for the years 2002 through 2004 US News ranked University of Texas, M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston ahead of Sloan Kettering. And that list only includes the United States.
Am I the only one freaked out that Wikipedia entries seem to change instantly once a death like this is announced?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Lidle
http://spiny.thorns.org/spencer2/pivot-blog/pivot/entry.php?id=69
has a blog post with pics.
"Yes, I have heard of it and no, it's not the best. Typical New York attitude that if it's here it has to be the best."
US News & World Reports - practically the only magazine that does a yearly hospital review - disagrees with you.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/rankings/specihqcanc.htm
"The FBI believed Lidle was the only person aboard the plane and the other three deaths occurred inside the building."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860
It brings bad memories though... Anyway, I do hope that New Yorkers are more precautious now. It's incredible how being proactive and carrying a simple Breath of Life emergency escape mask can save your life in a situation like this.
Mets game already canceled for weather reasons but Keith Olbermann is on MSNBC discussing weather they should cancel the game out of respect for Lidle, evoking JFK and the NFL. Oy.
ed, you are truly as dumb as a bucket of rocks. 10/11/06 "upside down" is 90/11/01. As far asI can tell, there aren't 90 monts in a year.
Wow. Cory Lidle. Must've really wanted Piniella hired.
Sorry, it is sad.
And z, lol. But don't call me Timmy.
"US News & World Reports - practically the only magazine that does a yearly hospital review - disagrees with you."
US News is a joke of a magazine on a typical day. Their college rankings are a farce.
I must have struck a nerve becasue you losers are acting like I said it was the worst hospital in America. What if it turned out to be only second best - like US News said it was in 2002, 2003, and 2004?
CNN now says that Lidle was the only one on board.
'Course, CNN also says the East River is the York River, so who knows.
law suits usually are not targeting the person and specific company since both are usually covered with insurance.
law suits are against insurance companies.
also, clearly he lost control in some way. should he have been that close to a building? no, otherwise he wouldn't have crashed. idiots.
you know, it's a weird thing that celebrity and fame has on us. at first i was, and still am, concerned for those involved, but when they said lidle was involved, part of me though "oh no, someone important was killed." but it shouldn't matter who it was really. what shows is even more twisted, is that my first reaction was, as a yankees fan, "oh, he wasn't that good anyway." i mean, imagine if it had been jeter? but again, it shouldn't matter. that's just the fan in me being selfish i guess.
i think i need my head examined.
it does make you think though, if the yanks had just been able to beat the tigers, he'd be in oakland right now. when in doubt, blame a-rod.
Couldn't Steinbrenner have simply traded him?
1. Memorial Sloan Kettering 100.0
2. University Of Texas at Houston 99.1
3. Johns Hopkins 69.0
Statiscally, that .9 makes Memorial the winner.
Sorry to hear about Lidle. :(
leave it to the terrorists to create a 90th month!
EdEx, what are you talking about? Lawsuits target people all the time. The individual may fall back on his/her insurance to defend them and/or pay the damages. Lidle probably had tons of person liability insurance. And while the condo owners have individual and building insurance, the insurance companies will seek to recover damages. And not to mention wrongful death suits. And emotional trauma for the survivors.
Bloomberg is so strong, so compassionate in his news conference - he should be President!
Hey Joe, how come you keep pushing that escape mask? What do you do, work for the company?
Wow... I've lost the ability to spell,
"statistically." Oy.
And the US News rankings only cover the US. Cafferty said S-K was the best in the world. So until you find a global ranking, stop quoting US News. Nice try though. do you work in politics?
Our beloved Sloan Kettering commentator seems to miss the point that Jack Cafferty's comments weren't based on hometown pride.
Sloan Kettering has an international reputation. Insofar as there ever could be a "best" hospital, Sloan Kettering would rank in anyone's top 10, maybe top 5.
Satisfied?
Now fuck off.
No, I work in a hospital.
"Our beloved Sloan Kettering commentator seems to miss the point that Jack Cafferty's comments weren't based on hometown pride.
Sloan Kettering has an international reputation. Insofar as there ever could be a "best" hospital, Sloan Kettering would rank in anyone's top 10, maybe top 5.
Satisfied?
Now fuck off."
I'm satisfied that you continue to be an asshole, day in and day out.
Lots of hospitals in the US have international reputations. What's your point? Did I ever once say it wasn't a good hospital? I'll help you out: I didn't.
Anyone else think this could have been a suicide attempt?
So... what is the best hospital for cancer treatment in the world?
(And no, I don't work at Memorial Sloan Kettering...)
b, that is pretty faulty logic. And it's the kind of compacent atittude so prevalent. We must be the best. . . .
and Elderta, if you are so sure Sloan Kettering is the best show me the global ranking to back it up.
the old HK Airport before 1998 is right in the middle of the city, and there has never been any plane crashing into any buildings for all those years it was in service. This shows why we should not just allow anyone who are rich enough to buy a plane to fly one.
One reason why you hear MSK a lot is because lots of famous, celebrity and rich people could afford to go there.
I'm willing to bet, dana reeves, peter jennings and jerry orbach had treatment there.
And, I'm willing to be Jack cafferty could afford to go there.
Does not mean the other hospitals in NYC are not as good as MSK.
I want to know where Lance Armstrong had his treatment.
The news is all over the place. CNN:
"NEW YORK (CNN) -- Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the sole person aboard the plane that crashed Wednesday into a high-rise apartment building in New York, FBI officials told CNN.
Emergency responders found his passport in the street below, the officials said."
I'm giving up on this until later tonight or tomorrow. This is just goofy. Who was on board? Why do they say such things before anything is confirmed? Why can't we have laws against this sort of thing?
The media needs an adult around telling them how to behave. They need to start answering to someone since we (the public) aren't strong enough to take our eyes away, someone needs to start regulating this crap. The conflicting reports are just absurd.
Sorry, I'm babbling but I'm fed up. I guess.
CORY LIDLE HAD TERROR CANCER
If A-Rod had been in the plane it would have missed the building.
Oy... so tedious... I didn't say it's the best in the world. I said that according to US News and World Report, MSK has the best rankings in the US according to the report. And I can tell you that at the place where I work, the listings in US News do mean a lot, rich people or no.
So... I'm going to stop posting about this because really, we're getting nowhere. And personally, if I got the cancer, I'd rather go to Johns Hopkins.
Lance was treated at Indiana University Medical Center by Drs. Larry Einhorn and Craig Nichols.
http://www.livestrong.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=jvKZLbMRIsG&b=743289&ct=901099
Oh my God! He was treated in backwater red state by a bunch of hillbillies!!! He didn't come to the greatest city in the history of the universe!!!!
everybody, chill. You're all equally awesome.
The A Rod on the plane comment was f###ing funny.
i think my reaction to this (news-media-wise) was very interesting.
my boss slammed down his phone and said "somebody flew a plane into a building on the upper east side!" and i replied "oh shit." then quickly opened a browser.
first, nytimes.com - blurb sucks. I'm frantically trying to figure out what's going on, feeling deserted working two floors below ground. then, two tabs: one for cnn (because david said they have a story about it) and one for gothamist.
i think it's great that we have gothamist, and it's a pretty reliable source of information. certainly faster than "real" media, and it's honest about updating false information and claiming what it doesn't know... the comments are pretty snarky sometimes, but there's some good info here to.
three cheers for gothamist today, for keeping me informed.
and
suicide!?!?!?
The A-Rod comment was predictable, but, yeah, it was funny (Yankee fan). And, BTW, doesn't Alex live in that nabe somewhere, as does Jeter and Damon?
Not that it's relevant at all.
Not that I stalk major league baseball players, but I think Damon, Abreu, and ARod live in One Beacon Court. I think Jeter lives in one of the Trump buildings.
This guy flies like Asians drive. EOM!
Everyone here needs to have a shot of whiskey.
Yankees are cursed. You know nothing 20 someethings probably don't even know who Thurman Munson is or why i'm saying they are cursed now...
Just one more act of terrorism perpetrated by the Yankees.
Apparently the pilot knew very Lidle about flying.
Sh*t!. Now we gotta look out for the Arabs AND the NY Yankees?.
They better put a giant 500 ft tall wire mesh net around Manhattan or I'm moving the f**k outta here!. I can't take this no more.
I don't know who did it or why, but on behalf of myself and my staff: WAY TO GO!
I would ask future volunteers to be more cautious and consult me first tho, I own several condos in the area and don't wanna have 'em damaged.
Allah uakbar and iada iada etc etc whatever!!!
They don't call us the bronx bombers for nothing. Damn! I bombed manhattan, and I'm dead so i can't be typing this
Hey did everyone hear?
A small plane crashed into a tall building in the UES and a Yankees pitcher was the pilot.
Friends of mine live in The Belaire [524 East 72nd Street, located between York Avenue & East River Drive] - - and this couple has two small pre-schoolers. Wife is a stay-at-home Mom. I do not know what floor my friends live on. Please post updates when you can, please. Thank you. Saying a prayer that my friends and their two little baby girls are safe tonight. . . .
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Why do so many Gothamist commenters seem to be afflicted with ADHD?
It was very fortunate that no one in the building or on the ground was killed. If that 50 story condo had been a 50 story office building, it's highly likely that the outcome would have been very different.
"I Feel Safe in NYC!"
what a strange thread.
plane crashes into building
yankees pitcher Cory Lidle dead
my cancer hospital is better than yours
did you know that 10/11/06 upside down is...
WE'RE BEING ATTACKED!
okay. this is clearly a tragic accident, made more so by the fact that the victim was a celebrity. however. people get murdered, run over by trains, and die of horrible diseases in this city every single day. what, two people died? out of 8 million+? there's something amazing about the human psyche that we're so drawn to a story like this, while some homeless bum kicking it is like, eh, who gives a rat's a**? and i wonder what the public reaction would have been like if it were just a 1-column story buried in page 20 in tomorrow's paper? anyway, i agree with the guy who said he's gonna puke if that tenor sings about it at the next mets game...let's go mets!
Hey Maia [225],
A PLANE CRASHED INTO A BUILDING.
From what Chuck Scarborough, a licensed commercial pilot himself, explained on the 11 PM news, it seemed obvious that this was an accident waiting to happen given the FAA regs.
Hey Joe M. [226],
Yes, I know that! I'm not denying it's a big piece of news! I'm just wondering why us humans have a thing for explosions and stuff! It's a sociologial question! Geez, why do people gotta be such a smartass all the time?
Gothamist, I was just venting on my blog about how crappy the news was in covering this event. You guys nailed it though... your coverage was unparalleled, which is nice, because it's scary shit out there, and information is all we needed.
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I need to take a dump, acutally i just had some poop come down my leg OOOOPS.
I just don't have much to say recently. Such is life. I've basically been doing nothing. Basically nothing seems worth bothering with. Oh well.
Not much on my mind right now, but it's not important. I've just been letting everything happen without me. I just don't have anything to say right now.
I haven't been up to much lately. I've basically been doing nothing , but it's not important. I can't be bothered with anything recently. I've just been letting everything happen without me lately.