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A series of robberies at the 7th Avenue F train subway station in Park Slope has allegedly prompted the NYPD Transit captain to order officers to "stop all black male teens" there, according to the NY Post. Cops are apparently supposed to stop and question teens, while filling out "250 forms." This, of course, has set off a frenzy from different unions and organizations. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Assication's Patrick Lynch said, "Ordering police officers to stop every black male teenager is against the department's racial-profiling prohibition and creates more trouble for the officers than it will solve," while 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care head Eric Adams said, "We're going to go to the Seventh Avenue station and do observations," given the NYPD's past abuse using 250 forms.
The NYPD tells the Post says there isn't racial profiling - the police are following up on descriptions of suspects and questioning people who fit them. Still, the civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel explains that just being black and being a teenager is not enough to stop them. Clearly, there's a fine line between profiling and police work.
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i wish the police department would stop being afraid of being brandished racists and just admit that all police work is based on profiling – trying to identify who in a crowd is most likely to commit a crime.
what? you don't think the secret service does this when guarding the president? you think they actually give the grandmother with the walker the same level of scrutiny as the guy wearing the " i (heart) travis bickle" t-shirt?
face it – crime would be down (and the constitution would still be intact – if the nypd (and the tsa, for that matter) wasn't the nyPCpd!
furthermore, there was a great editorial in the ny times recently citing multiple security experts who believed that 9/11 could've been prevented if the policy (as practiced by many other countries) was to screen PEOPLE and not THINGS.
while we're busy making an entire nation take off their shoes or dispose of hair gel, the people who wish to do harm are three steps ahead of us.
"and the constitution would still be intact"
ehhhhhh, not so much. not to mention the impossibility factor.
then again, some people have greater faith in government than others do.
Idiot. Assuming what you say is true, the SS might keep on alert around certain people. That's not a violation of civil liberties, the way stopping them would be. Now write that 100 times.
As to 9/11 - before 9/11, Oklahoma City was the big terrorist attack. So, by your reasoning, right now we should be stopping all white males and Arabs. I'm sure there are other events which in someone's mind (say, for example, Ray Kelly or Dick Cheney) would justify stopping another group. Pretty soon we're not citizens anymore, we're all just suspects.
"Me", So if Ray Kelly thinks Racial Profiling is a mistake, He's Wrong? Granted, he has Years of acctual Police experience...
Racial profiling just doesn't work. Among other things, it causes the police to overlook any other Suspicious activity.
Could you provide a link to the Editorial? I'd love to read it.
Dhex, what amuses me is the Radical Right wing used to be Anti-Big Gov't.
Now, apparently, they can't wait to give Civil Liberties away. Especially if it's someone elses.
I love racial profiling, get's the Po Po off our backs. It's like hiding in plain sight.
Crap, I had no idea there'd been a spate of robberies at my local stop. I'll have to look for recent articles or something and get filled in (NYT? Brooklyn local papers that I usually ignore?). Funny, 'cause it's a pretty low-key and safe area.
But then the muggers themselves are probably profiling their targets to maximize their profit vs. felony ratio, huh? Fuckers.
robberies are the least of your worries in park slope. i'd be more concerned about mothers pushing those $800 bugaboo frog strollers and crushing a foot!
I also live at this stop and had no clue. I've been informed about 12 different stoop sales though. That area is probably an ideal for muggers because it is "low-key". No one sees it coming.
And "Your Mom" - I totally agree. Not only are the bugaboo stollers a problem, the insane amount of dog "bombs" is an issue.
I haven't seen the police stop anyone. They sit there with a vacant look on their faces because they are bored to tears. In order to racial profile, it would require them doing some work first.
*i'd be more concerned about mothers pushing those $800 bugaboo frog strollers and crushing a foot!* #9
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clearly you're clueless. I'm more concerned about people like you who think nothing really happens during an armed robbery other than a wallet being stolen.
everyone racial profiles. insurance companies do it. universities do it. your employers do it. so what if the NYPD does it... if anyone shlould be doing it it should be the police.
get off your soapbox and wake to reality. this isn't bermuda, it's nyc.
As a Black man who lived in Park Slope and visits quite often, I don't need to be harassed by the police everytime I'm in the neighborhood. I think people should realize they live in New York City maybe not as bad as the 1970's and 1980's but crime is part of any large metropolian city. So beware of your surroundings or else move out of NYC back to small town America.
People get mugged everywhere in NYC. Shit happens.
Quick Call 911, there's a crime wave a startin.
Someone just knocked down my mailbox!
Ahhhh, good. I just moved from this stop to the cop-laden area of Windsor Terrace. To you 7th Avenue folks, roll up your copy of The New Yorker to fend off the brown people.
"Dhex, what amuses me is the Radical Right wing used to be Anti-Big Gov't."
well, i don't think there was much of a radical right wing that became pro gov't, unless you mean "religious conservatives" and not "the john birchers" or even "rothbardian anarcho-capitalists" in which case i would say your notion of radical is somewhat limited.
people want government to do "something" about "this problem" - the two parties find out what, exactly, their base wants done and to whom, and promises to do so. what they end up actually doing is generally varied and involves many lines of legislation, relying on partisan frisson, as it were, to keep the rubes occupied. or deeply commited voters. whatever term you like best.
most of the truly radical right from a decade ago was decrying the destruction of civil liberties and constitutional rapaciousness of the government. did habeas corpus die with the effective death penalty act when clinton signed it? i don't know, but it sure didn't fucking help anything. but as long as the boot is on the other foot, democrats will pretend to give a shit about civil liberties. then things can flip back when a new puppet millionaire is elected.
it's a glorious cycle, and if there's anything the kali yuga needs at this point, it's a groucho marx moustache and glasses set.
kall the kops,
Hey be happy you can at least you can find your mailbox!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/nyregion/thecity/08box.html
I live at this stop as well. 7th/8th ave Park Slope is safe. But come on, its NYC. Shit happens everywhere. Just avoid the station between 3-4pm when the youngin's get out of school. They cause a ruckus on the subway while I'm trying to get my mid-day nap.
"I also live at this stop and had no clue. I've been informed about 12 different stoop sales though."
One Stone Dept.: If robbers would just attack stoop sales, we'd have uncluttered sidewalks and safer wallets.
If only white people could be trained to give better descriptions than "he was black" and "he was in his teens."
"If only white people could be trained to give better descriptions than "he was black" and "he was in his teens."
JUST white people? I'm sorry but I've met tons of racist Asian and Hispanic people in my time. You can't keep pinning it on the white folk forever.
In all my years in this city the most racism I've encountered has actually been from a small subset of black folk. Just like with any other group it's just a small but vocal and very hostile minority. But the racism found in black communities towards any "outsiders" (not just white folk or gentrifying yuppies) has been by far the worst. No that doesn't mean the racism found among Asians towards each other and others isn't vicious. It doesn't mean hispanic people aren't incredibly skin tone conscious. No it doesn't mean that white people aren't racist at all anymore. But all things considered the racism coming from black racists has been much worse in my lifetime than that directed towards people who happen to be dark skinned.
I guess we've come a long way... Just not far enough.
Clueless masses-
Yoga moms are the real enemy. They bombarded the precinct with calls to complain that teenagers were being black at their train station and it made them late to pick up their toddlers from efficacy training. if they didn't look so scared all the time, they wouldn't get robbed.
I hope their kids get waitlisted at Yale...that'll show them.