Girls Were Needed "To Fight Whatever Girls We See"

how about never confronting a gang? should have kept her mouth shout....

a NYT article said nicole was a victim of rape in college. i always wondered if her statement "what are you going to do, shoot us?" stemmed from therapy or was something she learned in recovery - ie: taking control of the situation in order not to be a victim. sadly, she ended up becoming a victim again.

She said "what are you going to do, shoot us?" TWICE?
That's confrontational in a situation where you don't have the best hand on the table. So, she bluffed and lost.
Don't write checks in which your body can't cash.

You people are all insane, this rat of a child murdered this woman and deserves to be exterminated along with her parents.

So not only did she say "what are you going to do, shoot us?" Twice but she also walked up to the killer saying those same words.

Please, Karma????
tell me what do Westerners know about Karma?
You've done shit for generations and generations and now you bring in karma?
don't make me LOL. LOL.

It was a monumentally bad move to confront him like that. She should've just walked away like the others did. But if you knew her you'd understand how her better judgement was clouded. After her rape she fought hard to overcome her fear, and became very very fierce. She was always a passionate, dramatic person. I wish she hadn't done what she did, but I don't think the term "stupid" really applies because the word implies a calm, reasoned mind set from which to make a judgement, and still making an obviously bad one. In that moment she was more focused on not allowing him to scare her, and obviously convinced that he was bluffing about using the gun. She was wrong. But to blame her for her own murder is the epitome of "stupid".

Never blame a victim, douche.
You never know when that will be you.
I hope none of you ever have daughters...

Honestly? Some people are going to shoot you, and some people aren't. It's a matter of shit, shit, shit luck that these little bastards chose this woman of all the women in that n'hood that night to harass, try to rob and, ultimately, kill. Some little shit who is carrying a loaded gun is pissed-off to begin with - if she wasn't the trigger, something else would have been. Stop blaming this woman. This was her way of defending herself - for other people, it's silence. That shit is 100% out of your control.

can we all agree that drinking more than you can handle is generally going to be a bad idea?

i keep thinking there must be common ground somewhere amid the crapulence.

She should have not challenged the gunman, plain and simple. It's not her fault that she was murdered, per se, but being confrontational w/ someone who has a loaded gun is not a smart idea. It's an unfortunate circumstance, but it is possible it could have been avoided had she complied.

as above, there's ways to downgrade an incident and other ways to inflame an incident.
Even cops use verbal judo. I don't know if it's as effective as Navy Seal style Pencil holding.
You have to know your battles and know when to hold them and when to fold them.
And, when to walk away.

Maybe this will serve to remind people in these filthy new money years: if you wanna move to New York, wise the fuck up on your street smarts. I don't give a fuck if this girl was a "passionate, dramatic" person. The kind of shit that flies at your high school in Iowa or whatever doesn't always work with kids here. It's a shame she died, but...shit happens. Some people are just fucked.

The kind of shit that flies at your high school in Iowa or whatever doesn't always work with kids here.

Because a lot of kids here are barn animals? :)

The name calling seems to have to do with her background more than anything. I've lived here long enough to many stories of confrontation from those who grew up in the area; not all of them backed away. When they stood up to the attacker, they fancied themselves "courageous." When a white girl from the Midwest does it, they replace it with "stupid" (example: the recent Harlem lady in the wheelchair who confronted her attacker - nobody called her "stupid," even though the attacker could have easily wrestled the gun from her hands).

Where do you draw the line between "brave" and "idiotic?" Pretty arbitrary if you ask me.

Using this logic, fighting in Iraq and defending our country can also be considered "stupid."

Although I personally would not have said this to someone pulling a gun on me, I'm certainly not in the position to criticize what she felt was right at that moment. It could have gone either way, so perhaps if she'd survived she would be a hero? I also suspect that some of the haters are secretly annoyed that someone with her background actually had a set of balls...oh wait, she wasn't over in the Middle East, so I guess that means she was "stupid?"

There's no shame in walking away alive to see another day. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE would ridicule you for walking awy.

No one's denying this...but if you want to be nitpicky don't you think the city grandma should have known her loaded weapon could have easily been used against her? No one called her "stupid" despite the well known rule involving attackers and self-defense weapons.

it's a sad and unfortunate situation and I feel terrible for the girl and her family. one can't help but note the irony that this girl was a hardcore white liberal who would have probably advocated for more leniency towards poor minority misunderstood "youth" like her killers.

I love all the tough-talkin' morons who think they're so "urban," pissing on a dead girl because she was from Iowa and stood up to a shi+head whose balls came from a gun. I have a friend who was walking by an alley when a kid aimed a gun at her and said, "give me your f_cking money." She'd had a bad day - - a really unbelievably bad day. So bad that she was unwilling to even fully process the gravity of the situation. All she saw was the arrogance of this douchbag threatening her life. So she looked at him and said, "F_CK YOU," and kept walking. Nothing happened. Should she be dead? Is that what SHOULD have happened to her? She knows she shouldn't have done what she did, but she's a human being and at that moment she was not thinking rationally.

The first time I had a gun pointed in my face, the first thought that ran through my mind was, "shi+, now I'm going to have to get a new drivers license and cancel my credit card." It wasn't until the bad guy was emptying my friend's pockets that I realized that my life (the only one I get) was in his hands and he could kill me for no reason at all. It's horrific, but that moment of clarity doesn't always happen immediately, especially if you've had a few drinks.

If you've never been the victim of a violent crime, then you have no idea how something could set you off. I could see myself becoming enraged like Nicole was. No, it's not "smart" but she didn't grab the lowlife's gun and shoot herself. Every time you walk out the door you're putting your life in strangers' hands. Some of those strangers are pieces of shit. When one of those sociopaths kills an innocent person, it amazes me how many other potential victims rush to chime in to say how stupid she was and how she deserved it. How civic-minded. Let's all be like that and New York can be like the early eighties again. People who say that sort of thing have obviously never had a loved one murdered.

Just shut the f_ck up.

The mugger should of shot your friend for "mouthing off". I know I would.
You know she got lucky. All it takes is one nervous mugger with a finger on the trigger.
We all have bad days but I bet your bad day is a picnic compared to others.
so how bout you Shut the F*ck up?

why, thank you, sir.
Karma? hahahahah, those projects in the LES will be there forever, how's that for karma?
boriqua pride.

Idiots: Thank you.