certainly retarded a retarded idea

since i can watch al manar online

http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/VideoItems.aspx?language=en

has time warner cable just commited an federal offense. am i a terrorist sympethizer even if i dont speak arabic but watch the videos?

id be aughing if it wasnt so sad that this iqbal guy is in a predicament

Well, this is certainly a new approach to censorship - declare a TV station a "terrorist organization" and then outlaw it. The fact that this "terrorist organization" is only armed with cameras and microphones is unimportant - at least to the sheep who want the government telling them what to think.

Yeah, yeah, we in america are so much better than anyone else because we have freedoms - chuckle.

Guys, let's slow down here. There are many tv stations which are broadcast around the world that are anti-American, anti-Western, anti-Semitic. Only one is on the Treasury's list.

Why?

Simple...Treasury gathered proof the Al Manar was providing survailance for terrorist attacks, providing bank account numbers to drop money into in an effort to fund suicide bombers, and calling for attacks on civillians.

That is what separates Al Manar from other stations.

As for the first ammendment arguements...1) It doesn't protect Al Manar because they are not a US corp. (and even if they were, the above actions in support of terrorism would negate their rights under us law), 2) Freedom of Speech even in the US is not with out restrictions. This is why our friend in NY, whether Pakistani or American, isn't in the clear.

We all have freedom of speech, but none of us are allowed to yell fire in movie theatre.

With rights come responsibility.

-Anon Johnson

aka - confused why anyone would try to defend those who are trying to aid and incite violence against civillians - either directly or through rationalizing it by comparing this situation on other governments.

This is further proof that the United States of Amerika keeps slipping into FASCISM under the 'leadership' of our glorious Fuhrer GW. It's the same censureship that happens with Al Jazeera, which our government wants to block from transmitting into the U.S.

Maybe it's because Al Jazeera airs videos of all the little babies and children that we're bombing "into democracy & freedom". It's hard to enjoy breakfast I guess when you see a little girls body that's been raped and set on fire by US stormtroopers.

I can understand the reason behind the censureship tho; It's hard to support a war 'against' terror when it turns out WE'RE the biggest terrorists.

Sieg Heil!!!.

and to ba-ba-booey:

perhaps you should try to read up a little bit on all sides of the Middle East conflict before you start accusing people of being anti-semite.

Have you ever read a news source not originated in the United States?

Also, this may help illustrate my point:

http://www.jewishconscience.blogspot.com/

"terrorists suck"- you cannot honestly tell me that the US doesn't have civilian casualties when it is off in, oh let's say, Iraq, and is plowing through dropping bombs? I'd say that's insanley innaccurate. Laughably so.

The funny thing is, that to me, according to the PAtriot Act info above, perhaps we should be banning Fox news for "intimidate(ing) or coerce(ing) a civilian population" with fear.

Then let hezbollah get some missiles instead of rockets and level the playing field.

and, stop using the hiding behind civilians argument.

Where else would a guerilla outfit be? You fight dirty and fight often is how you win.

Fight like real men, indeed. That's a laugh, I can't believe someone wrote that.

Rob, the missiles the US fires into other countries have guidance systems and are aimed away from civilians. Hezboallah just lets loose on heavily populated areas and HOPES THEY KILL CIVILIANS. In fact, if there is one thing to admire about the whole mess is that it started because Hezbollah's BORDER INCURSION was to kidnap actual soldiers. If these guys and their supporters want to start whining about war crimes, tell them to strap on a uniform, sign the Geneva Convention, and fight like real men. And stop hiding amongst the civilians.

USA PATRIOT Act defines it as a group who has "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."

If Hezbollah falls under that definition, doesn't Israel also, especially "to intimidate or coerce a civilian population?"

It it's a standard channel just distributing information, even "trash and garbage," this definitely seems to be an egregrious violation of the First Amendment.

However, if it was indeed soliciting funds for terrorist organizations as defined by the U.S., that is a whole different story.

It is illegal because the man Mark Dubowitz, who "tipped the feds" had created a campaign under the Coalition Against Terrorist Media to get the U.S. Government to name al-Manar a Specially Designated Global Terrorist organization. By adding al-Manar to this Treasury Department list, it allowed sanctions to be placed on any U.S. or foreign company doing business with al-Manar.

Executive Order 12947 specifically prohibits Americans from engaging in transactions with Hezbollah. This also applies to al-Manar's Washington correspondent and any other al-Manar employees working in the United States.

However the man arrested is not a US citizen, but details never stopped the US from its was against terror or to curry favor with political interest groups. The US has the final say in what foreign companies do also.

What time is today's two minutes hate? I left my schedule at home mistakenly.

America? Freedom of speech? Hellooo....what is going on here? I'm not personally a fan of Hezbollah, but censoring the free speech that this country was predicated upon is equivalent to the dictatorship we're "supposedly" fighting.

hey, ta ta toothey,

fa fa fohay,

They also provide healthcare and housing for the now displaced. They are very charitable.

I think we can name one other country firing much more than missles into other countries.

Can't you?

from what i've read about al manar, it seems like trash and garbage. but i'm not sure if broadcasting trash and garbage to paying customers should be illegal.

what is happening to this country? seriously.

#3 Hmm, I dunno, the U.S. Government? Many other governments?

"there are a lot of people out there that don't consider hezbollah a terrorist organization."

...and those people would be called morons and/or anti-semites.

How many other charitable organizations do you know that fire missles into other countries?

without getting too political; there are a lot of people out there that don't consider hezbollah a terrorist organization. A good portion of the world would consider them just as "right" in this situation as Israel is.

But regardless of what you believe, the point is this is really frightening censorship when it comes down to it. Remember when everyone freaked out because google started up in China with filtered searches?? How come its OK for the governemt here to do that with TV stations? That's total bullshit if you ask me. Another fine example of us losing our civil rights in the name of fighting terrorism.

Yeah, I'm a little confused as to why this is illegal.