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After its shocking Health Department Inspection (140 points - point levels between 0 and 27 are acceptable!) threw its burger-, hot dog- and concrete-loving constituency into a frenzy (Eater was especially distressed by the "Food worker does not wash hands thoroughly after visiting the toilet, coughing, sneezing, smoking, preparing raw foods or otherwise contaminating hands" violation; the Post got someone to admit, "It's in the park, they have good prices, and they don't use frozen meat. But if it's dirty, then I definitely won't come back here ."), the Shake Shack has issued a response to allay any fears people may have. They sent us a letter from Danny Meyer stressing the report wasn't as "bleak" as it seemed, as well as a list of the violations and how Shake Shack will address them - or has actually been operating in accordance to them:
August 15, 2006They do take suggestions seriously - they got that webcam, after all. And here's Shake Shack's violation-by-violation response with thoughts/solutions - for instance, employees have taken food-prep courses and now meat and cheese will be stored in separate coolers.
As you may have heard, Shake Shack performed poorly when it was inspected by the Health Department on July 25, 2006. There is no excuse for these results, and we have already addressed every point aggressively with the goal of getting an “A” on our re-inspection. The facts are not nearly as bleak as what you may have read or heard.
Operating a small, stand-alone establishment in a park is both a privilege and a challenge; we work hard every day to provide the cleanest possible environment for our guests, as well as the safest and most comfortable workplace for our employees. The major violations for which we were cited were either structural or operational. None found conditions of vermin, mucus, urine or feces.To give you a better understanding of the situation, I am including an attachment of the actual violations cited by the Health Department accompanied by our action steps for each one. As you can see, we have already made several changes and improvements. As an additional measure, we have hired an outside consultant to do twice-weekly inspections and to provide us with reports so we can remain proactive in our goal to operate the cleanest, most organized and well maintained operation possible for the thousands of enthusiastic guests who line up to enjoy the Shack every day.
In our quest to continually improve, I welcome your thoughts and ideas.
Sincerely,Danny Meyer
Does this make you feel better? Were you worried or would you throw caution to the bun? And while 140 points is bad and does give Shake Shack the second most-violations, it's not Candilejas in Brooklyn with 610 points!!
Photograph by Jesse Chan-Norris from Shake Shack's 2006 opening day.
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AGAIN with the Shake Shack...
Well I guess if somebody's gotta report it, it has to be Gothamist.
Now I hope this opens all your eyes to what might be inside those burgers you all go crazy about.
Perhaps a booger? a used Condom? a Roach?
I'm not surprised. Maybe the lines will be shorter now.
YAY! hopefully there will be less people in line so I can get those delicious soiled hand burgers.
Nothing new. If we knew what goes on at most eateries in the city, we would never dine out. When a eatery becomes too busy, the chances of something "extra" slipping into your meal increases.
"The major violations for which we were cited were either structural or operational. None found conditions of vermin, mucus, urine or feces."
Thanks for the descriptive explanation. What could reassure the customers any more?
the shake shack is such an example of reality not living up to the hype. the burgers are only average and now, apparently, dirty and used to mop the floor with.
I've tasted better burgers.
Well this makes me glad I haven't given into the hype and eaten there.
This really works out for everybody. Those of us whose love of the Shack trumps our fear of illness will face shorter lines, and folks afraid of germs and other invisible things will be reminded to go somewhere else, or even stay inside. I mean, these people probably shouldn't be eating ground beef in a NYC park anyway.
i was always told...stick to what they are known for...shake shack - shakes...
seafood shack - seafood
burger shack - burger
Zinc, if you've heard of the shack you know they are in fact known for their burgers, as well as the Shakes and concretes. I'm a little discomforted by the report but I'm happy to see that the food itself didn't get busted. Makes me wonder how the DoH would report on our time-honored fire escape grills.
Eating outside is dirty, and it STILL don't kill you.
strange reaction by Danny. He claims that no "major violations" were poop related, yet the report says that workers didn't wash hands before leaving bathroom. Maybe Danny doesn't consider poop a "major violation."
I hope that anyone who has ever written a Shake Shack headline on Gothamist gets e.Coli.
You sad overhyping losers.
Never tried the Shack and never wanted to, even though I live a couple of blocks away. Seeing all those pathetic lemmings waiting 45 min for some so so burger is enough to keep me away. They should offer a side of salmonella to go with their booger burgers.
All we need is someone to sue Meyer and run the Shake out of business, so the lemmings can go back to Wendy's.
dude, you're right, the burgers at the shake shack are the best in the city for people who like to stand in line. and those who like to eat poo.
Love it! Anything to reduce the lines!
I think those morons who still gonna eat at the Shake after this enjoy the runs and getting their stomachs pumped. LOL
Sad thing is that their children will be forced to feed on poop-filled burgers as well.
It seems with this post that the Gothamist comments have sunken to a new level of stupidity. "Poop-filled burgers"? Yes, that's really what was happening at Shake Shack. "Pathetic lemmings"? Just because you are not interested in waiting in line doesn't make the people that do idiots.
Who cares? In-N-Out is miles better than Shake Shack.
Are you actually surprised of their health code violations??? I mean, come on! Shake Shack is located in Rat Park. That is the #1 sign of unsanitariness.
Wasn't going to go before and sure as hell won't go now.
Looks greasy and gross. I'll pass
To wait on a longass line for most of their lunch hour just to get their hands on an average, highly unhealthy, piece of shit burger is a sign of idiocy, a waste of time, and life.
But who are we to stop them? They can go ahead and wait on line all day for shit burgers for all I care. I’m just annoyed that this place is getting more coverage then it should.
Sorry, if the workers are using the bathroom and not washing their hands there is a 100% certainty of urine and feces coming into contact with the food.
There is no excuse for these results? He didn't know that a restaurant needs a sink for cooks to use?
The things the restaurant genius apparently "didn't know" also included food prep courses for supervisors (which I have seen posted in even the filthiest of crummy delis), that a semipermanent food establishment needs water and sewage connections, and you need a thermometer around even if it's just for show.
Also, the health report states "Evidence of flying insects or live flying insects present in facility's food and/or non-food areas." I guess live roaches and/or flies are not "vermin" in Meyer's world.
Even Kindergarteners know to wash their hands before eating or preparing food. I have a suggestion for Danny Meyer: don't expect me to ever eat in one of your restaurants, because it is obvious that you know how to fluff publicists and food writers very well, but very little about basic cleanliness and common sense.
Just to compare (from the Dept of Health website):
Gray's Papaya, 402 6th Avenue: 6 Points, no handwashing or cleanliness violations
Remember, this is a 24 hour cheap dirty dog stand frequented by the homeless. Yet, they have a sink!
That's great news about Gray's, now if only we knew exactly what was going into the hotdogs themselves...
(P.S. I'm a big fan of both Gray's and SS, but Gray's edges out because of money to full-belly ratio and now because of their sanitary conditions.)
A couple of years ago Cafeteria had some major health code violations and trendy folk still frequented that place like it was the greatest restaurant on earth. It's funny how NYers act. We're so uptight about so much stuff, but we choose to ignore how dirty a lot of our food joints are.
Would interesting to hear from restaurateurs: Give your experience, what's your opinion on whether the owner is characterizing things fairly, eg are the codes sometimes "overly broad" as he said in his point-by-point response? I'm not saying he is, or isn't -- simply curious to hear informed views of people who have seen the process themselves.
Also, any interesting war stories with health inspectors? A friend of mine who owns a small bar says the inspector literally sits down for hours in the teeny tiny (6-table?) establishment, in order to simply wait for some violation to materialize so he can levy a fine (such as catching a barkeep accidentally leaving the "wrong" towel on the bar). My friend also says it feels like he is implicitly asking for a "bribe" of free food/drink by sitting there for so long. Anyone else?
Love the Shake Shack, or hate it, this episode is an interesting look into NYC's food police bureaucracy.
Trendy dining vs. possible e Coli poisoning, NYers sure have their priorities straight.
It's a whopping 140 pts. people! Not borderline violation, but serving food off the floors of Giant's Stadium restrooms during a game violation!
where's the grays papaya cam
Oftentimes, the inspectors are bribe-friendly, according to what I've heard. Hard to gauge the accuracy of those ratings sometimes. But I hardly think a 140-level rating is a mistake or payback for not getting a free shake. I went to Shake Shack once. While I was waiting for my burger and fries, I watched the workers work in the window. One of the nasty things I saw was a worker who handled the burgers into the little bags and into the boxes. He was wiping the sweat off his face with his gloved hand, and, without changing gloves, handling the burgers. I decided not to experiment--7 bucks worth of education.
Dear Schadenfreuders and -ettes,
If you inspect a bit more closely the violation/actions taken chart, which, by the way, I find to be a very responsible and proactive response by management, there is a violation of "not washing hands thoroughly after visiting the toilet, otherwise contaminating hands." The obvious, knee-jerk reaction most of you are displaying is "Eww, the food workers' hands are covered with filthy, human waste, which goes right into my food."
Yes, that is nasty, but that's not what happened. Please re-read that violation language again, substituting "or" for the comma. The worker in question did "otherwise," by not changing gloves after wiping the ice cream service station. To me, that's a far less egregious foul.
And, yes, the health inspectors do sit around gagging for violations, just like cops trying to fill ticket quotas.
Down Kids:
Uh huh. Note that the response to the lack of handwashing facilities is that employees will now be able to use the Parks Department bathroom (a new development)
Forget the citation for a moment, use common sense:
Where have they been washing their hands for the last two years?
Ask a Doctor or Nurse how much disease and waste matter is on your hands (but unseen) after you use the toilet. If you don't belive this is the case, come on over and I'll cook you a handmade gourmet hamburger dinner, right after I take a colossal dump, wipe myself, and neglect to wash my hands. I'll even let you inspect my hands first, but no washing.
Having food handlers use the Parks Dept. bathroom seems to me even less savory than not washing at all.
Native,
Actually, the response to the lack of handwashing facilities (# 8) is that the Shack has always had adequate facilities.
Also, it is not stated anywhere that using the Park bathroom is a new development. The response states (# 7) "we have established an agreement with the Department of Parks and Recreation for our employees to use the basement bathrooms." I assume the employees have been using these bathrooms since the Shack opened. Or should I assume that, from opening day forward, Danny Meyer thought it would be acceptable for the employees to do their business right outside the kitchen door and hop right back in the kitchen?
Hardly.
Do you honestly think the employees had nowhere to wash their hands in 2 years or that management somehow overlooked the fact that "employees must wash hands" as it is clearly stated above the sinks of even the grimiest of this city's eateries?
Um, haven't they heard of Purell by now? I think the picture represents the burgers well, greasy and very undercooked.
You sure don't want me making your patties.
I like to pick my bunghole and sometimes don't trim my nails for over a week.
yuck yuck. and smelly, too.
Actually, the response to the lack of handwashing facilities (# 8) is that the Shack has always had adequate facilities.
No, this is not the case.
Also, it is not stated anywhere that using the Park bathroom is a new development. The response states (# 7) "we have established an agreement with the Department of Parks and Recreation for our employees to use the basement bathrooms."
It must be a new development, otherwise there would be no citation for lack of bathroom facilities. Shake Shack would have produced an agreement showing that the Parks bathrooms were usable. They didn't.
It must also be a new development because it is on the list of corrections made, which implies that these are responses to the citations. Again, if it was already in place, why did they get cited for it?
I assume the employees have been using these bathrooms since the Shack opened.
I am assuming nothing, other than the citations are factually accurate. Many park vendors (such as those using pushcarts) use local merchant bathrooms (McDonalds, etc).
Or should I assume that, from opening day forward, Danny Meyer thought it would be acceptable for the employees to do their business right outside the kitchen door and hop right back in the kitchen?
Two big assumptions:
1. Danny Meyer is some kind of moral superhuman who would never cut corners. I got 140 health code violation points that say that isn't the case.
2. Employees would be peeing "behind the corner". I don't think anyone suggested that.
Hardly.
Do you honestly think the employees had nowhere to wash their hands in 2 years or that management somehow overlooked the fact that "employees must wash hands" as it is clearly stated above the sinks of even the grimiest of this city's eateries?
Yes, because they were specifically cited for such by a City Agency. Those grimy city eateries have sinks. Unlike Shake Shack. Ad hoc handwashing is not acceptable for any establishment.
I don't care how famous Meyer is or how many stars his restaurants have. He runs a filthy burger stand that is one of the most cited violators in the entire city. I don't know who owns or runs Grey's Papaya, and I am sure they never made the cover of Gourmet, but they manage to have sinks, get the proper food handling certificates, and clean the place.
last year shake shack recieved a 4 from the health department. previous scores included a 42 the year before and 14 their first year. standards must have really slipped. still, i can believe the health inspectors are like cops with ticket quotas. regardless, a friend and i got sick from jamba juice in soho. they got a 2 and a 4 from the health department. so, i'd take those ratings with a grain of salt.
Shake Shack received a 14 from the NYHD yesterday!
Of course we'll never hear about it because the media rarely reports good news.
Another eatery found to be "Dirty" . What a surprise, I stop eating at fastfood joints years ago! People are nasty and have disguisting habits that they force on the general public. I must say this is by nature though. People look at it this way, " I know my hands are clean enough to eat from because it's my germs" . What they forget to remember is that it's there germs and not the general public! I stop eating heroes, Pizza, And other fastfood because of a couple of "Occurrences" . Think about that the next time you buy that "Big Mac" or order that Chinese food . Their may be something extra added on to your order .
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