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After realizing bouncers need regulating, will the city crack down on clubs serving underage patrons? The NY Post reports that a NJ teen is missing after partying at Guest House on West 27th Street. Eighteen year old Jennifer Moore of Harrington Park, NJ and a friend left Guest House at 2:30AM, only to find that Moore's car was towed.
The teens ended up at an NYPD impound lot on West 38th Street and 12th Avenue at about 4 a.m., authorities said.Yikes. Moore did call her boyfriend at 5AM to say she was lost (the boyfriend told her to get in a cab), but that was the last she's been heard from. Police from Harrington Park and the NYPD are searching the area.Employees at the lot called an ambulance because Jennifer's friend got sick. The workers also said that both girls appeared drunk.
Jennifer's friend, who has not been identified, was taken to St. Vincent's Hospital.
Jennifer, who is not old enough to drink legally, grew worried that she would get in trouble and wandered off, authorities said.
Witnesses told police that Jennifer was last seen walking uptown along the West Side Highway wearing a white mini-skirt and a black halter-top.
We thought it was pretty tough to get into clubs if you're under 18 (not counting the "18 to party, 21 to drink" deals), but we're hearing that there are ways to get around that (a really good fake ID, flirting with the bouncer, being a celebrity/being with a celebrity). Then again, girls get in so much more easily than guys. The Post draws parallels to the Imette St. Guillen case, but we hope it doesn't end as horribly as that.
Update: Moore's body was found in a motel in West New York, NJ this morning, and police are "questioning a suspect with an extensive criminal past" according to WNBC. 1010 WINS has audio of Moore's father speaking.
Update: The police have charged a suspect in Moore's murder. Draymond Coleman, who lives in Manahttan, was arrested and charged by NJ prosecutors; his girlfriend was charged with hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence. WABC 7 reports that "the break in this case came when Coleman used the victim's cell phone to call his mother."
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This is another high profile case due to the color of the victim.
OK, now that, that's out of the way.
How did the body get from the West Side of Manhattan to a scummy hotel in Weehawken? Why is the NYPD doing an investigation in a NYCHA project?
Jen, I always agree with your posts when it comes to these issues. You'll be a good mom.
Yes, underage drinking is the problem and you rarely see the authorities crack down on that. Especially regarding celebrities, remember when Scarlett Johannson had her birthday parties at these clubs, she definately was underaged.
"Especially regarding celebrities, remember when Scarlett Johannson had her birthday parties at these clubs, she definately was underaged."
Celebs are allowed, if not by law, but by our social construct that fashionable celebs should be treated as royalty, especially if they're hot with large breasts.
She's probably just asleep or wandering Penn Station or the Port Authority. Even tourists at least know where a major transit hub is located. She probably doesn't know that everyone thinks shes missing. Thats all. She'll turn up alive and well.
Where the hell are this girl's parents?
Shes at my house, IN BED! Deuce Strikes Again
according to wnbc, her body has been found.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/9582511/detail.html
I don't think that it would have been that hard for her to get in especially early in the week.
Walking along the West Side Highway at that hour in that outfit is bait for johns looking for prostitutes. Probably abducted by one of them. They should do a sweep of all the johns over the next few weeks. They'll find their man.
I'm not sure that the clubs are entirely to blame.
Make the laws stricter FOR THE CLUBS, and the clubs will bend over backward to make sure they don't get fined or lose their license. The laws are so strict in some states (VA for instance) that this sort of thing just doesn't happen. Fake IDs are also going to become a lot less prevalent in a few years, once all the states begin to use the new-style digitally printed licenses.
Of course, instead of partying in the clubs..... they'll be partying in someone's sketchy apartment in the Bronx. I don't know of any real 'solution' to the problem, but if you want to keep them out of the clubs, it's easy enough to do.
Oops. I take that back. Sad to hear
I'm tired of people preaching how safe New York City is - it makes people complacent and think they can do this shit. And no, it's not just the "BT crowd", but everyone.
While the violence percentage is low compared to NYC, it's a percentage, and this region itself has 22 million people compared to what, 3 million in LA?
People should still be a little afraid when they're in NYC so they don't get murdered, but what, would that bring property prices down?
That is really tragic.
Daily News says she had no money or credit cards on her. so sad.
http://www.nydailynews.com/07-27-2006/news/story/438497p-369449c.html
uhhhrrr,
The number you have for NYC's population is for the Metropolitan Area, the LA pop number is for the people living in the city limits, not their own Metro Area.
Well she obviously got a ride back to NJ either through one of the tunnels or the GWB. There are cameras everywhere at these crossings, should not be too hard to find who did this.
Sad lesson for a lot of young women who drink way too much too late into the night.
tbh, i just don't feel sorry for this girl. it's definitely sad, but i am just not fazed. actually, i feel sorry for her on one account- her parent's weren't involved enough to tell her/train her that you don't drive into manhattan for a night of boozing when you are 18. other than that i really feel that what happened to her was not unexpected. at the age of 18 you want to drive from the suburbs to nyc and go out drinking with one other girl friend, then pursue your impounded car at 3in the morning, then wander off alone to avoid the consequences of your actions.......what do you expect to happen? RIP
Sad to hear. Hope they catch whomever is responsible.
um. la is at least twice as big as new york.
It seems like the third or fourth bad thing that happened near the impound lot in the past couple of months.
will- you are wrong, look it up
HAHAHA now the club is going to close because of this whore.
Am I the only one that can't understand why she didn't go to the hospital with her friend?
Maybe I am too good a friend, but I would have been on the ambulance with them.
i cant believe people could actually say that they dont feel sorry for this girl. no one deserves to be murdered and thrown in a dumpster. the whole thing is tragic. people make bad choices all the time and dont get murdered for them. it's really sad that she paid for her bad choices this way.
Who hasn't gotten drunk underage? Anyone?? I didn't think so. What this girl did was legally wrong, not morally wrong so stop the criticism. She did what your average teenager has done, and did not deserve to die. Yes, she's getting more attention because she is a white female, but its still a tragic story.
You CAN NOY blame the clubs. The club are irrelavant. We do no know that she was drunk. There were no breath tests to prove this. It is the word of a couple of guys. All we have is their here say.
Sue the the towing company. She would have had her car. They could have called the police if they thought that she was too drunk to dirve. Why did they not give her the car.
I believe it was fowl play some how. Why did they not give this girl her car. She had ID to prove who she was. She would have had ID that she was using to get in clubs.
OTC: That is why I think there was fowl play before she walked off or was driven to the dumbster in NJ. Why? Someone intimidated her or frieghtened her so that she would not go with an official. They might have contacted her parents. She told her parents that she was going to a movie that night.
She had her ID but they didn't give her the keys to the car because she was intoxicated.
She obviously escaped to avoid some sort of underage drinking penalty she thought she would be getting from the EMT's, or the police they might have called.
The sad part about is that those guys would have done absolutely nothing except for making sure that these girls got home safe. NYC emergency officers (be they EMT, police, whatever) really could not be bothered to arrest or detain a bunch of Jersey girls for being drunk. On the contrary, they would in fact be very helpful and understanding. I know from experience. What a stupid move on this girl's part. Sad, but really stupid.
Per CBS news at noon, she did not stay with her intoxicated friend because she was afraid she too would be taken in for underage drinking. Not, to mention driving under the influence.
If you can't handle your alcohol, please don't drink to excess and don't you dare drive.
anon: THEY are saying that she was intoxicated. Did they take a breath test. Some how there should be a bit more authority making decisions as to whom is not going to get their vehicle at 4am.
She supposedly left credit cards and money in the car. There should be some authority that says you may take things from the car. It is strange that she was not given an alternative to transportation.
I think the people at the towing yard should be investigated. A girl, 18 years old, in a white mini skirt, hulter, and pumps. She was a crime waiting to happen at 4am @ 38th and 12 avenue. She must have looked like a hooker.
It all sounds too fishy.
Numbers are numbers, but the NYC metro area is a lot more integrated than other cities - people from Jersey City, Yonkers, etc., can get into Manhattan probably easier than anyone from Brooklyn or Queens, but they're ignored as sources of crime (despite them being). It works in all directions and in both states.
This truly is a tragic story and as much as the fault will be debated back and forth over this forum and in the media, none of it matters. Some stupid kid will put themselves in the same situation ending in the same results.
It is definitely not Ms. Moore's fault that she was brutally murdered, but she did put herself in an easily avoidable situation. Hopefully this will help parents and their children in the future to have better judgement.
fowl play= sounds like beastiality.
i don't think anyone believes she deserved to be murdered. all i'm saying is that when i went out in the city for a night of underage drinking coming from the suburbs (which i did), i took the train and made sure i made it in time for the last one.
This breaks my heart, when kids make stupid a decision that every young person makes once in a while results in a f***ing horrow show. When I think back to the stuff me and my friends did as teenagers, I'm shocked none of us were killed. Young people are functionally retarded by nature. We're all lucky we escaped those years. I don't think this has as much to do with the danger or safety of the city, behavior of tow crews, culpability of cops. This simply has to do with a few bad choices by a kid and the sick malfeasance of a goddamn psycho.
Tip to teens who read Gothamist.com: it's better to be definitely busted by the cops for underage drinking, than maybe killed and dropped in a dumpster by some sick psycho. You may not believe me this year, but email me in a decade and you'll be buying me beers, hopefully.
Hey adam, you've got apoint there.
However, I meant foul. Thanks. I call you for my next book deal. You will be the chief editor.
This truly is a tragedy; it's really sad the girl had to learn the hard way.
But, seriously, it's underage people like this making stupid decisions to drive into the city, get drunk, and drive back to wherever they're from that ruin it for responsible, mature underage drinkers that know better than to drive while drunk
And before everyone starts having their period on me, I'm not saying that only people from outside of the city make stupid decisions like this
Of course, it's a tragedy. Nobody deserves this kind of fate. However, I'm shocked at her lack of common sense. She could think well enough on her own to realize that she was drinking underage and didn't want to get caught, but she couldn't call a cab, or call her parents, walk back into the city, or help her friend initially...
this is really sad. i feel terrible for her parents.
weird that this seemed to be more of a crime of opportunity than anything else. i think that is what disturbs me the most. some people see the chance to do harm and they pounce on it.
i shudder to think at all the stupid crap i pulled at that age and how lucky i am nothing ever happened to me. that's all it was: pure luck. what's funny is that i don't go out alot in nyc - so i consider it really safe. but the times i do go out and stay out till 4am there is ALWAYS something really effed up that happens to me or someone i am with.
nice post by dave h. he hit the nail right on the head.
I forgot to add...perhaps, this is an example of being too sheltered in the suburbs and not developing the street smarts you need for life, especially in the city.
It's not just NYC that's dangerous,
There's 2 would be serial killers out West.
One in AZ and one in WA, Okay, I'm stretching about the one in WA with the mother and daughter found dead in the woods. However, the way they were posed makes it very scary, other campers found them squating as if going to the bathroom.
NOW that's SCARY.
It's the 2 legged animal one has to watch.
"Sad lesson for a lot of young women who drink way too much too late into the night"
You know what, PATH? Fuck you. The appropriate "lesson" for drinking too much is a bitch of a hangover, ending up in bed with some dude you never thought was cute in the first place, or puking everywhere and having your friends make fun of you forever because of it. Getting abducted and beaten to death is not a "lesson", it's a tragedy.
Everybody I know who had some kind of a social life when they were younger did something like this - including me. This girl was just unlucky enough to get spotted by the wrong guy. Horrific. RIP, Jennifer.
Samantha T.- Read what I wrote aloud or more slowly. The "tragic" lesson is for other girls not Jennifer. It sounds, sadly, that you had numerous lessons, of which you learned little, over and over again.
Good, those kids got what they deserved. You shouldn't do things against the law!
bec: "what is have their period on you...?" Come on we are in the 21st century. Can't you come up with better wording.
bumbaclaut: Well I know that if I singled out the idea that only people from outside of the city do mistakes like drive drunk, I would have pissed off lots of people. The whole "period" wording was just a smart ass way of putting it.
C.H.U.D.: there should be a law agianst commentt like yours. Do have no logic or reasoning capability. Surely, your mind can expand wide enough to see a bigger picture here. Don't bother with compasions that would require too much expansion, you could hurt yourself. But please try to start with the the small stuff.
You shouldn't break the law. Yes, you are correct. However, you also shouldn't think evil thoughts. What goes around comes around. Evil attracts evil.
Did anyone see the interview with her dad on the CBS news at noon? Something seemed a little off with him. I'm sure he's overcome with grief and not completely himself, but he was acting way too calm and collected for a man whose daughter was just found murdered. His attitude was almost like "shit happens". And he used the word "stuff" alot.
While a tragedy, the blame is really only on the dead girl's poor decisions and the person who murdered her. It'd be nice to believe that it was the clubs fault for serving her alcohol but we all know that underage drinking is like smoking pot, almost everyone you know has done it and most of them have never been caught.
The bigger issue in this is actually a different thing than her death. I agree with "eckuse me columbo" with asking why all the coverage over a young white girl from suburbia when many young women of color in the city are assaulted and killed every day with nary a peep from the media.
Let's just hope that this crime finds justice but not at the expense of yet another life. Calling for the death penalty is only asking for vengence and not justice.
Yep, saw the noon broadcast,
he basically says what many white people say,
"shit happens" then you die. (sorry if I'm generalizing but it seems many on the internet are very unsympathetic)
war happens, civilian deaths happens, shit happens.
them be the breaks,
break it up, break down.
Hey bumbaclaut- What the C.H.U.D. says, is what goes! If you don't like it, f-yourself!
daddy's girl, cut out the reverse racism and generalizations. it only makes you look bad.
I have no statistics on this.. and this is just a hypothesis.. so please allow me a little leeway here..
but could >one
White girls are more likely to be assaulted/killed by a random stranger and black girls are more likely to be assaulted/killed by another black person who knows them.
For some reason, the public considers the randomness of the first scenario more of a horror.. because there is a loss of control issue... this works in the same warped way that many are frightened by potential terrorism but not getting into the driver's seat of their car despite a much higher fatality rate for the latter.
Just some thoughts... ??
This got dropped from my second paragraph, not sure why:
but could one of the reasons why white girls getting assaulted/killed receives more media attention be that:
Hey genius, the phrase "reverse racism" implies that there's a proper flow to racism. If something's racist, it's just racist.
LOL@ Claude
Im sure the stats between murder rates of white/black females and them knowing their murders are probably around the same. Your theory buys into the fact the classic 'All black people know each other' lol.
some of the comments from these readers are downright scary and deplorable. clearly it was a bad decision to leave the yard where her car and her drunk friend were. she was afraid of getting busted for underage drinking and got herself into a much bigger mess, which was roaming 12th avenue drunk, late at night. as a 30 year old man, i sometimes make stupid decisions when i am drunk, but those are usually along the lines of an embarrassing text msg or drunk dial. when you are 18 and can't handle your liquor, poor decisions can be remarkably worse, and sometimes tragic, such as this case. this story is horrible and was totally preventable. the workers at the impound lot should NOT have let her leave. letting her wander the streets at night in that area, wearing that outfit was a disasterous decision. they should have made her stay with her friend so she could get in the ambulance with her. And, this is not a tragic story just because she is white. This isn't the NYC of 1990, and there aren't women of color being killed every day and ignored. The stats show that there are approx 500 murders a year in all of NYC. Simple math shows that is just more than 1 per day, so this story deserves the attention it is getting. God rest this poor girl's soul. And kudos to the earlier poster who advised any young kids reading this - if you are going to drink, take the train and stay together. Don't drive, and don't be stupid.
Hey bumbaclaut- What the C.H.U.D. says, is what goes! If you don't like it, f-yourself!
[52] Posted by: C.H.U.D. | July 27, 2006 04:12 PM
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That is my favorite past time... oh wow...f-yourself...oh wow....oh...oh.... Did you mean freeze yourself or freak yourself or just f-yourself? At least I get f from somewhere.
What C.H.U.D. says is ignorant babble.
Newsflash,
this is a big story for the same reason why White Babies are always worth more than Black babies when it comes to adoptions.
You can't give a black baby away but White babies costs as much as a luxury car.
someone's gotta say it. we live in a sick society.
This is extremely tragic - given.
However, please do not go crazy blaming alcohol in this, saying "we've all made poor decisions when drunk." This is a lot different.
It's a lot more about common sense, intelligence, upbringing, and street smarts.
For one, the girls were able to locate the car. I've had a car towed in that same area, and it is a nightmare of a beaurocratic process to even locate it (involving recorded phone messages, typing in ur licence plate #, going thru menu after menu of instructions) - no one THAT drunk could manage it, trust me. Secondly, her friend's sickness could have been any number of things - but certainly anxiety and panic mixed in with the alcohol was a major factor. Plus, you have to understand at that point adrenaline takes over, fight-or-flight reactions overcome the drunkenness.
No, what we have here is clearly someone who was put in a situation she had no idea how to handle. Who's fault that is is up for debate. However, like some others have said, she had many many other, tremendously better options. If nothing else, I would hope this serves as a lesson to others who are equally sheltered and naive.
With that said, the situation is truly terrible. I only hope it might save others. RIP.
Screw you man! Don't mess with the C.H.U.D.! I don't write ignorant babble, you do!
The NYPD arrested the person who initially was held as a person of interest.
Still lot's of missing info as to how he got the body to NJ. They say it was a suitcase.
The "friend" was not a friend but an acquaintance, the father never heard her daughter mention this person.
The impound lot refused to release the car due to their condition (drunk).
hey janine, you're the real "genius" here. "reverse racism" is a term that exists. don't be bitter because you're ignorant. thanks.
This thread is bordering on frightening.
Why is everyone blaming the victim? All she did was get drunk and disoriented!
The blame is SOLELY on the monster that abducted and killed her!
Ha, it's actually not C.H.U.D. who's posting, but syntax99, who got his panties in a bunch because CHUD called out his stupid attention-whoring attitude in a previous post. But whateva....
"You can't give a black baby away but White babies costs as much as a luxury car. someone's gotta say it. we live in a sick society."
And if you can't afford a white baby you go and get yourself an Asian baby. That's the closest approximation of a white baby you're ever going to afford. And what if you can't get yourself an Asian baby? Horrors, you might have to settle for a Latino. The shame of it all.
I feel terrible for her and her family.
But I'm so tired of this story being blamed on "underage drinking." In any other country, she would have just been drinking and then tragically killed. (I guess the fact that she wandered away b/c she was afraid of getting in trouble points to underage drinking as one of the causes of her death, but only b/c it is so unreasonably restricted).
I feel terrible for her and her family.
But I'm so tired of this story being blamed on "underage drinking." In any other country, she would have just been drinking and then tragically killed. (I guess the fact that she wandered away b/c she was afraid of getting in trouble points to underage drinking as one of the causes of her death, but only b/c it is so unreasonably restricted).
huh? don't be blaming that shit on me. flame your fire somewhere else.
What the real crime is two 18 year olds drinking and driving drunk! Imagine if their car wasn't towed, they could've killed another driver, biker, pedestrian, or you mom!
How to put this...
I remember being locked out of the place I was staying on a visit and being locked out until 8:30am. I was trained as an armed guard. I knew how to stay aware of everything going on around me, yet it was an exhausting night and I was stone cold sober.
What chance does a drunk "bambi" from the burbs have?
You precious girls. Don't you realize that you are prey for these bastards? Do you realize that not everyone in this city is civil, thinks that you are cute and funny and should be treated well just because you are a young innocent. That you can walk or jog in the most desolate isolated place you can find and sometimes you will run with earphones on and tune out when what you should always be doing is staying tuned in...these things break my heart...
Maybe as part of highschool health classes, they should review self defense skills like "staying aware of your surroundings" and to treat New York City as a deadly force to reckon with.
I have learned that in New York City, ignorance is not bliss, it is fatal.
precious lives would be saved...
My car was actually towed in NYC today. Because I was driving a borrowed car, I was forced to pay cash. Even though I had Picture ID's (Liscence and passport). they would not accept My credit cards or debit cards. It made no sense. There is no ATM on the premises, and the closest one is 3 long blocks away. The impound yard is in a very desolate part of town. Something should be done about this, because it is a terrible Idea to send people trekking to find an atm to get $185. I would like to know if she wandered off to get the cash that they extort from scores of people everyday there!
Some of you truly are sick. I happen to know this girl, and can barely stomach the comments I'm reading. She may have been drinking underage, but neither her nor her parents can be blamed for this. Intoxication of a victim is no excuse for murder. EVER.
This guy Coleman was or is a PIMP.
What Tha?
Are we even in America anymore? I'm speechless.
But am addicted to the pimp shows on HBO aka the stroll. Like going to a zoo watching another animal culture.
NIGHTMARE!!
I will NEVER go out without a guy by myself. Anymore.
Everytime I go to the malls of New Jersey, I see girls just like her who live in the sheltered environment of the suburbs. They're usually naive, easily startled by a sudden change in their environment unlike many teenage girls growing up in the city who are more aware of their environment.
At the very least, there should be mandatory safety/security classes given to HS students (boys & girls) to make them more aware of how dangerous a large urban area like NYC can be. Maybe there should be a test, just like when she had to pass a road test to get her driver's license.
Another thing, I wonder how many drunk young women & men drive home to Jersey & other places each morning. It's a scary thought.
Relax Kyle. Theres alot of posers in the crowd today.
If it sounded like I blamed her, I didn't. I hope that scumbag gets what he deserves.
Teddy:
Coming from someone who grew up in NJ and knew many of these 'sheltered' people that you speak of...my question to you is...why are you shopping in an enclosed mall in the suburbs? Feeling of safety? Not having to worry that your bag might get snatched while you walk down the street?
I guess sheltered people deserve to get murdered so that we can have a city full of lifeless zombies like you walking around.
Teddy:
Coming from someone who grew up in NJ (and now lives in Manhattan)...all I can say in response to your ignorant comment is that YOU should have to pass a test (or something like it) to enter the sheltered environemnt of suburban malls.
Trust me when I say we don't want the B&T NYers who frequent our malls there anymore than you want us 'underage drinking' in 'your' city.
Idiot.
Fact: Girl was stupid.
Fact: Girl didn't deserve to get killed.
Opinion: This guy should be tried in Jersey, where the death penalty is technically still on the books.
The really sad thing is that men are predatory psychos who would rather murder you and throw your body in a dumpster than help you out. The problem here isn't drinking, parents or bad choices or she's a whore ( so's YOUR girlfriend technically if you're not married)or clubland. It's a society of men with arrogant disdain for human life. Women don't deserve to get killed just because they are out after dark. By the way, people from NJ, stay out of NYC. You got your own shit ass state to play in.
Sweet lord, dan soda. How to put this?
Intelligent design is also "a term that exists," but that doesn't make it an accurate description of a real phenomenon.
Just because someone says a catch-phrase (likely thought up by PR and communication advisors like me) and then repeats the catch-phrase doesn't make it a long standing truth. Think about the words, what is in "reverse" about the racism? (I'd like to see you write something other than "I've seen the term in print and heard it on TV."
Former black ex-con bouncer raping and killing white girl. Haven't I heard this story before?
This is not really related to Moore's deaht but to the comments regarding the whole racial adoption thing...a lot of people choose international adoption (of asian, latino, white babies from eastern europe, black babies from haiti, whatever) because it takes a lot less time to adopt internationally than it does to either go through a domestic agency or to adopt a child from foster care and go through the long bureaucratic process. The goal of foster care is to always reunite the baby with the parents, so there is also the chance that you will lose the kid after taking care of it (plus people worry that the children have been sexually abused or physically abused and that they can't handle this, etc etc). If you don't like the fact that people adopt kids from other countries, a lot of the blame can be placed on the US's terrible foster care bureaucracy.
sorry, drayman coleman was a drifter, career criminal and Pimp. so, you haven't heard this before.
Bring back more Vice cops and blanket the city after midnight, crack down on underage drinking, prostitution, and gambling.
who am I? I'm the cooler.
wow art.
say out of NYC? First off, fuck you, don't tell me where to play, go, work, or whatever it is i do in your "lovely" city.
tragic story, no matter what race she was...
"They're usually naive, easily startled by a sudden change in their environment unlike many teenage girls growing up in the city who are more aware of their environment."
Oh, please. Plenty of girls in NYC have been abducted/raped/killed because they "chose" to put themselves in a vulnerable position (which means going out in public, apparently). There are frigging weirdos everywhere - there's just more per square inch in the city.
"reverse racism" is a term used for the last 25 years in corporate America. In the '70s many corporations seek out minority employees to nurture and promote them to make their Equal Employment quotas. Some equally or better qualified white employees who were passed over for promotions claimed that they were victims of "reverse racism or reverse discrimination" just because they're white.
The only people who diss New Jersey like that are the Midwestern transplants trying way too hard to fit into NYC. To actual New Yorkers, New Jersey is where their parents go when they get older. Well, it used to be back before all the transplants came.
Guess what: growing up in Ohio, California, or New Hampshire doesn't make you any more of a badass than somebody from North Jersey or wherever.
Get over yourselves, you're not actual New Yorkers, no matter how desperate you are to be.
Sadly I posted that it was probably a John. In fact it was a Pimp. His "part-time" prostitute girlfriend is being questioned as an accessory/acomplice.
I wish I had been wrong.
hey Path,
I think Samantha T understood exactly what you meant--which was that young women shoud not get drunk because it will lead to their death. Actually, this happened because a cold-blooded killer decided he wanted to murder a girl. This was a premeditated decision on the part of the killer. Screw the alcohol and what SHE did to "bring this on." That is such crap. Let's stop blaming the victim and women in general for the violent behavior of men (and women) who want to kill.
A lot of good comments here. I agree the father is acting oddly, but I suspect he has a very conservative personality and is a person who works hard at holding it altogether -- whether it is business or finance or emotional situations. This man will more than likely crack at some point. As for his daughter, she made a series of bad judgments that night,probably motivated by fear of reprisal from her father, as well as trying to avoid a stain to her reputation as a student, athlete, community member and to her social class. There is a great deal of liability flying around in this case -- the bar, the compound, possibly the EMT's, the taxi driver(?), and obviously the killer and his girlfriend. What about the desk clerk at the hotel? There will be much more that comes out on this. Did she travel to NY with the girl with the impounded car? Would she have willingly gotten into a taxi with the killer and not made a scene? What was the killer and girlfriend after? He could have robbed her on the street. Did he think he could induct her as a prostitute? No mention has been made of sexual contact. Hard to believe he is pleading not guilty. A series of very very bad decisions which led to a tragic end. I think I am due to say a thankful prayer that my 18 year old son is alive and safe. How so very tragic.
I'm a 44-year-old woman and I live in the East Village, have for 13 years. Prior to that I used to play here when I was in my 20s, back in the Eighties when the EV and the LES were a lot less "sanitized" than they are today. Like many, I lived in Hoboken. When I was 18, the drinking age in NYC was 18, so I drank legally. Did I get drunk--hell yeah, once in a while. Did I wander around the East Village by myself drunk? Never. I was started out with a group or friend whom I trusted to never leave me anywhere by myself. Alone and drunk in the EV/LES back in the 1980s would probably have had dire consquences.
I grew up in the suburbs of South Jersey, so didn't get the benefit of learning what city kids learn in terms of urban savvy. But I had sense enough to never drive anywhere if I knew I was going to drink.
This is not a blame-the-victim e mail. What happened was a tragic series of missteps that led to the death of a young person who didn't deserve to be murdered, but nevertheless was. You can say the girls should have been smart enough to take public transportation if they were going to drink, underage or otherwise. But they might not have planned to drink. Or maybe, as someone suggested the girls weren't drunk, and the friend was just sick--something I'm hard-pressed to believe given what I see on a regular basis on my street. You can say that the guys at the impound site should have watched out for Moore. Maybe they were too busy trying to get her sick friend to the hospital. They certainly couldn't lay hands on Moore and force her into the ambulance, I've seen many a belligerent drunk. Even if they explained to her that things like that happened all the time and that she probably wouldn't be arrested, she might not have been able to process it. It wouldn't have been that difficult for her to slip away. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I watch young people in my neighborhood, drunk out of their minds, with no concept of what they are doing, and I want to shake them, especially the young women, and tell them that just because it seems safe, doesn't make it so. What is contributing to tragedies like this one is the false sense of security many people have in NYC. They need to get it into their heads that vulnerable people are vulnerable and easy pickins. Period. I been here long enough to know that to be true.
Here's something to leave you with. About a half a year back, I was hanging out with a friend in a neighborhood bar and next to me was a petite young woman, falling-off-her-stool drunk. She couldn't even keep her head up off the bar. On the other side of her was a man, clearly hitting on her, and touching her. Did I mention she was passed out? I pointed this out to my friend, and we talked and decided we were going to take the girl home. She was so drunk, it took us about 15 minutes or so to figure out where she lived (she just came into town from South America to start a new job, and she as living with her aunt on the Upper Eastside). While I was getting the information, and my friend was trying to figure out which bags were hers (her overnight bag and pocketbook were on the floor, unattended, the pocketbook open with things spilling out) this guy was still trying to pick her up and paw her. I told the young lady that my friend (also a woman) and I were going to help her home. She said "okay". She had already paid her tab, so we got her into the cab (not before I told the guy he was a disgusting pig) and took her to the Upper East side and got her into her aunt's building. We like to think she made it to her aunt's door.
We don't like to think what might have happened if we didn't take her home.
I didn't write this for praise. I wrote this because there's perhaps something we can do the next time we see someone obviously helpless and obviously vulnerable. Just ask if she--or he--needs help. You could possibly save someone's life.
Anyone that says the color of the victim is any issue can F off. Chances are that person engulfs them self in self pity for being a minority. The only racism that exists in this country now is by minorities. I find it funny that it would by my ass hanging from a tree if I went into a black neighborhood. I find it funny that people who come from the most crime infested areas complain that nothing in their neighborhood gets news coverage. If that was the case, the news would run for 4 hours straight and it would be the same story over and over and over. Race has nothing to do with anything. This story had to do with a person whom trouble found. However she was dressed, wherever she was walking to, and whatever happened after that cab ride is not something that happens every day to people who don't know crime. Save your discriminating comments for your therapist. If you can afford one.
mjk, do you really think there are no (white) racists in this entire country?
Q,
I think there are plenty. 95% of them are too dumb to use a computer and too uneducated to find websites just like this. Not to challenge you to do this from work, but track down a "hate" website and find out how many clicks it receives. To give you an example of a white racist, or hate group, one that is an embarassment to white people everywhere is the Westboro Baptist Church.
Sorry about turning this into a race issue, because it is not. It just burns me anytime race is brought into a discussion that usually doesn't shine light on the matter. The killer didn't care about color, why should anyone else.
I would like to live in a world MJK talks of.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Maybe someone should shake you out of your drunken stupor.
What do you know about NYC?
your blogging from Chicago.
I am two years older than she, and grew up with her my entire life in our small perfect town. Some of the comments you people left are absolutely disgusting. This was a tragedy for lack of a more appropriate word. May Jennifer rest in peace and may her memory continue to live on forever in our hearts.
Some, rather MOST of the comments are downright disgusting. I have known her most of my life through childhood and no one desserves what she must have went through..especially not Jennifer. Some of you should be ashamed at the ignorant and horrible thing you wrote in reaction to her story. May Jennifer rest in peace and continue to live on through our hearts forever.