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The Daily News had a short story about the 18 year old grandson of Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro getting arrested. Not only was it Steve Molinaro's third arrest, it was for beating up a newspaper delivery boy. The boy, 14 year old Mark Veras, was delivering papers for the Staten Island Advance, and naturally the Advance has the most thorough coverage. And it's a doozy. These seem to be the chain of events, via the Advance:
- Veras was teaching a 15 year old girl to take over his route; he split his papers in two piles, leaving one pile on a McCormick Place and Parkinson Avenue (where the Advance trucks drop them off) and delivered the others
- When they returned, Steve Molinaro and a friend beat and kicked Veras to the ground
- The girl pushed Molinaro and asked another man, Thomas Rutherford, to stop the fight
- Veras was taken to the hospital, Rutherford told Veras' father, "Maybe he shouldn't have left stuff in front of the house."
- Veras has a brain contusion, bruised lip and 10 stitches
The victim's mother asked, "With his [Molinaro's] record why is he still walking around assaulting people?" Which is a good question - he was charged with stabbing another 14 year old in February and was in another fight in May. Moreover, what the hell is an 18 year old doing beating up 14 year old newspaper boys? The Advance says a special prosecutor from Manhattan will work on the case because the SI DA had worked under grandfather James Molinaro.
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Staten Island is really Bensonhurst and Howard beach only in NY Harbor.
There has always been this type of Italian thug in NYC. They have no qualms about hitting women and children. They'll hit your mother if given a chance. They really are low lives and scum.
What a Piece of work. He was 17 at the time of the Stabbing. Unless he was charged as an adult, the people of S.I. are S.O.L. Also, it looks like that case is still in trial.
He's 18 now with a history of violence. If the DA doesn't go for time behind bars, it would only be because of Grandpa...
Well he's nothing more than a Guinea brat, never got punished for anything he ever did. Douchebags like that are a dime-a-dozen on SI. They drive around in their big-rimmed Escalades (that their contractor daddy bought them) with their hairdresser girlfriends messing with people that don't look like a filthy guido.
This jerkoff is going to get slapped on the wrist, if anything. Staten Island sucks.
I grew up on Staten Island and couldn't agree more with these descriptions of the place. A total Italian-thug culture exists there. I got the hell out of that place as soon as I realized that the rest of the country wasn't exclusively populated by Sopranos-types. I'v been a happy resident of Manhattan ever since. Being blonde-haired and blue-eyed didn't make it any easier to grow up there. Can I tell you how many of these numb-nuts used to make fun of me for looking like I was "from Ohio or something?" Add traffic, pollution, and generally ugliness to the mix and "the rock" adds up to being possibly one of the worst places to live in the entire country.
I thought Yonkers was rough...
aw, hell, let's just let staten isl. sink into the lower ny harbor/atlantic!
they've been talking about secession anyway. let 'em freakin' go! who needs these thugs.... may as well cut off bensonhurst and HB too.
Sean - You are right on the money as are all of these posts. I grew up on SI and was constantly amazed at how it seemed like it was stuck in a very racist 1950's type of atmosphere. Although I still have family and friends that are wonderful people that I love living on SI, I could care less about what happens on that shitty little rock.
Also, the SI Advance is possibly THE WORSE newspaper in the country so I wouldn't be too quick to put any stock into their reporting.
Interesting fact - at one point there were only two man-made objects on Earth that could be seen from outer space; the Great Wall of China and the SI dump. Nice.
Maybe I was oblivious back then but when I was growing up in the middle of SI as a kid, it was a great place to grow up. There were plenty of safe residential streets to ride bikes on, a community pool, and lots of woods that were still undeveloped. School and the neighborhood did have it's share of bastards, but not wholly unreasonable for the most part. As a korean kid, I had plenty of italian, irish, indian, and pakistani friends. I moved out after graduating from IS 72, and the first thing that happened to my brother and I in Queens walking to the library was get mugged. Har.
"Italian thug?" "Guinea???" jesus, people, He's a thug, period. It has nothing to do with him being Italian.
I have virtually no first-hand experience with SI (aside from riding the ferry back & forth), but I have Italian friends who live there and they've told me the exact same things that Papercutninja and Sean have been saying in this thread.
there are good people in SI. but for the most part from mid island to the south shore, SI is populated by many arrogant and ignorant fools (who also happen to be italian). i like it much better on the north shore where folks are a bit more cultured.
Staten Island, Bensonhurst, Howard Beach, Throgg's Neck (we seem to have forgotten that hotbed of Italians) are full of awful people. But, for all their faults, I'd still take any of them over people who ran scared down the highways to Long Island and Westchester, and their pathetic offspring.
Nota bene: I'm from Staten Island - and I've never been beaten up here, and no, I'm not Italian.
Another native Staten Islander here, adding my seal of approval to the consensus. I grew up in the mid-island, which was alright in the 80s and early 90s, but ever since it's been an ever-increasing Guido fest. I'm half-Italian myself and because of SI am pretty ashamed of it. It's really that awful.
For reasons I'll never understand, Staten Island is one of the most unnecessarily hostile places on the planet. Everyone from SI knows plenty of assholes just like Molinaro's grandkid. Spoiled, crude, and aggressively belligerent just for the hell of it.
The vast majority of the people who live there are living comfortably, yet everyone acts like they're from a slum and are more than willing to cause trouble with anyone for absolutely no reason. I've never been to any other place where greasy brats driving their parents' cars feel obligated to honk their horns and scream random obscenities (fag is the favorite) at people who are simply walking down the street. I really don't know where these people come from...beside places like Bensonhurt, etc...
The sad thing is there are plenty of pleasant folks on SI, but no one knows they exist because well, they're not stabbing helpless pre-teens and commmitting hate crimes.
That bastard Molinaro needs a taste of his own medicine, big time. I hope he gets sent to Riker's.
Someday thing'll change there, the Italians always flee their neighborhood for whiter pastures when enough minorities come to town. Jersey and Florida will be the new Guinea capitals someday.
So I'm confused. Why is the phrase "guinea" being thrown around here so casually? I mean, if someone started throwing around "nigger," "fag," or "kike," I think I'd be crucified. I don't think that kind of language has any place in any sort of intelligent debate. The people who have used it have proved themselves just as ignorant and backwards as the Staten Island guineas they purport to dislike.
You're right, no "guineas" that word is too hard to spell correctly.
We'll use Wops from now on.
The term "guineas" was used because that was the most accurate word to describe the people who do this type of thing as shown by other posters.
sorry, if you felt otherwise.
Okay, I just wanted to make sure that we're calling a spade a spade.
I'm sorry if the word "Guinea" offends, but considering it's a part of my blood I felt entitled to using it. And trust me, most Italians on SI don't take it all that offensively and often use it themselves. There's so many Italians on Staten Island that ethnic slurs against them really carry no weight. The only time it can be a big deal if the person saying it isn't white...everyone knows that. Or I assumed so anyway.
Where I'm from when you say Guinea it's directed towards that particular Italian thug asshole type, not Italians in general. It's more about the person's attitude than their ethnicity. But I understand the confusion. I guess it's a Staten Island thing.
There's self-hating Jews, blacks, etc...this is just a similar case.
Um, dude, I'm from Staten Island and Italian. It's not a Staten Island thing or an Italian thing. It's a personal thing and personally, I think it's wrong.
I'm not one to deny when I'm in the wrong, and I guess I'm starting to see the light. To me, guinea has always been almost a completely harmless slur within the context of Staten Island. I've honestly never seen anyone take it all that hard because it almost always comes off as a joke. Guinea? Who're you kidding? We're all at least part Italian here! It's just the classic take-the-slur and make it your own phenomenon that happens pretty often for tons of ethnic groups. Having said that I know that's just my personal experience and yours could have been completely different, so I'll give you that. I can only speak from experience, though.
But in all honesty, have you really ever felt persecuted or treated like an outcast for being an Italian on SI? There's no denying that Italians dominate the island. Unless you live all the way on the tippy-top of the north shore (which is possible!) I'd venture to say you haven't. Once again, I could be wrong here.
So what do you call the classic Staten Island Italian asshole? Just that? Cuz apparently I need a new word. Guido just doesn't seem to do them justice - that's not even deragatory anymore. And I'm sorry but assholes like Molinaro's grandkid need to know they're pricks.
No, honestly, I've never felt persecuted on Staten Island. But outside Staten Island, yeah, once I tell people I'm Italian and once they hear I'm from Staten Island, they assume I'm mobbed up and ask me if I know any gangsters. It's happened more times than I care to remember. New Yorkers tend to think they are the center of the universe. But outside the enclave of New York, Italians are still discriminated against. Because of that, I suppose I'm sensitive to the use of the word guinea, because while it's fairly innocuous in Shaolin, it actually has some bite outside these parts. And I don't believe in that whole "by using the word ourselves, we take it back" crap.
I agree, this kid is a punk and I really hope Morgenthau's office goes hard on him. What should we call him? I don't know. Perhaps punk, asshole or any non-ethnic slur will do, because he certainly deserves it. I just think that as Italians, we're stereotyped enough in this country. We don't need to contribute to it ourselves.
great open dialog here.
Anyway, You can partly blame HBO with their "sopranos" popularity. I have a friend who hates that show with a passion and he's been asked if he's connected but not in NYC, when he lived in Florida.
Anyway, there are worse things to be associated with, if people want to think you're "connected" let them believe it to your favor. (don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does, when people outside NYC see's your name ends in a vowel.)
Do I have something against these "types" you damn right I do. They really did try and slap my mother. When you're only 8 and you see a punk do that, it will stay with you.
You make some fine points, good sir. I was specifically speaking of using the word within Staten Island, but I realize it's way too specific a situation to deem it acceptable for any kind of widespread use and therefore for any usage at all.
I really haven't had much experience outside the city so I'm gonna take your word for how it is in other parts of the country.
We don't need to contribute to it ourselves, you're right. There's already plenty on SI willing to. Thank god most people outside NY haven't been there, I'd half-understand where they get their stereotypes from. I remain optimistic we'll outnumber the riff-raff someday.
All in all, though, you're right. 'Nuff said.
If this isn't the final wake-up call for the Molinaro family then I don't know what is. How much more will it take before they deal with this wannabe punk in their family? With all their connections, you'd think the Molinaros' would have enough influence to get this moron pointed towards the straight and narrow.
Beating up a 14 year old paperboy. Yeah, Steve Molinaro is a real tough guy.
This isn't Italian-bashing. Most of my neighbors are Italians, i have (many)friends that are Italian; they're all wonderful people. Believe me. There are two camps in Staten Island, the Loudmouthed Guineas and Everybody Else. The Everybody Else group actually LEAVES the Island once in a while, speak properly and strongly believe that there are words in the English language that contain the letter "R". And we know that the Loudmouthed Guineas are like.
The problem lies within this whole "Goodfellas" and "Sopranos" mentality. If you ever get in a verbal confrontation (which is rare, usually them yelling stuff out a moving car), they usually try to end it with "Do you know who I am/Do you know who my father is?", implying that they're mobbed-up, when in fact they are nothing of the sort.
These Guinea morons think that they're really living the "Sopranos"-lifestyle, and LOVE the stereotype. They THINK it gives them street cred, that they're gangsters when in fact they actually work at a deli/tire repair shop/accountants office.
I agree that it isn't an "Italian-thing" as someone pointed out. It's a Staten Island Guido thing. I know Asian kids, Irish kids, Indian kids that are all Guido'd up and it is pathetic that they have to act that way so that they can feel like they can assimilate and be accepted by the Guido community.
Why don't we call him what he is: A thug, a useless Turd Thug and cut out all the racist banter.
oh really?
You can bet your paycheck these "thugs" say worse things when in the confines of their car.
I've heard it. These guys are punk bullies plain and simple and eventually they'll turn into a Nick Dipaolo type comedian blaming how they can't say this or that because it's not PC.
they're low lives, too. (and no talent)
rant off.
fuck all you assholes.. its not italians you should be worried about its the fucking niggers.
Having lived here for my entire life I completely agree with the comments about Staten Island. I am half-Italian (look more Irish) and live in the North Shore. This place was ok up to the early 90s but now it is a guido infested cesspool with terrible traffic and bad drivers. I'm not saying the other boroughs are better but this place has changed drastically in the last 15 years. Molinaro (the B.P.) has helped ruin Staten Island with overdevelopment and his punk grandson should get the book thrown at him and spend a long time at Rikers.
yes, this is deffinately a sign of the times on old Staten Island, Spoiled children, often of Italian decent, causing what would be considered in other places , mayhem. I can tell all of you, that it wasnt always this way. It used to be a great place.But that was at least 20 years ago.And before "they" came. Yes,it used to be very quiet,and beaucholic.It was close to the city, but it was not a city itself.And there was peace. Now,there are spoiled rotten "brooklyns" as we old islanders call them, raising high holy hell.The drug problem is epidemic,(but nobody is supposed to know that) and its the "garden spot" of new york city. Well,pennsylvania , here I come!