Gothamist: Drink Up: Sweet Paradise

shuthefuckupstupidbitches

Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:19:58 -0500

was there last night. enjoyed the music and the good lookin' ladies who were dancin'. bartender was cool. thatisall.

JPL

Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:10:33 -0500

Yes Dave, we know how much the LES has changed over the last 20 years. For example, noone can afford to live there anymore. But what are you actually saying?

Dave H.

Sat, 01 Jul 2006 12:56:28 -0500

The land for the Sara D. Roosevelt park wasn't acquired by the city until 1929 and the park wasn't opened to the public until 1934. While the term LES may have been derogatory in the 1920s, the changes to the neighborhood over the past decade show much ten or fifteen years can change a neighborhood's image and characteristics.

Bonk

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:43:18 -0500

Genny Cream Ale? Is this some sort of inside joke on the LES? Do hipsters actually order Genny Screamers by choice?

Andrew J. Lederer

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:35:20 -0500

When my old man first came to this country, he told us he slept in Sarah Roosevelt park in the summer and nothing would happen. Back then it was not called the LES, it was a derogatory term. (1920's) [3] Posted by: sarah roosevelt sleeper | June 30, 2006 02:17 PM ************************************************** It may have been derogatory (although I don't see how "lower east side" is any more innately derogatory that "upper east side"), but the Sarah Roosevelt Park area was very much called the Lower East Side during the twenties, as well as both earlier and later. People might have had other names for it (or parts of it) to avoid stigma, as your dad indicated. I'm wondering if he ever told you what he/they preferred to call it.

toby

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:56:30 -0500

BelDel - ha ha! That's so Cali that it makes me a little dizzy...

sarah roosevelt sleeper

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:17:02 -0500

These new bars are creeping more East every year. Soon they'll be by the East River, though this bar is pretty close to Chinatown proper. When my old man first came to this country, he told us he slept in Sarah Roosevelt park in the summer and nothing would happen. Back then it was not called the LES, it was a derogatory term. (1920's)

Andrew J. Lederer

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:57:27 -0500

BelDel (under that "name" or any other) is still the Lower East Side. So is the "East Village", for that matter. But that has its own identity now, so I guess it is what it is. But "BelDel" doesn't exist, except if one wants to be cute. It's the LES.

spud

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:56:57 -0500

I dig the moniker BelDel very much!