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Unless you've actually done it, one can never understand what a pain in the @ss breastfeeding really is. It hurts, your boobs are gigantic; as soon as the kid cries, you are leaking all over the place, the kid is screaming and you are hurriedly trying to get him attached to your tit before someone around you gets offended by either the racket or your boob. Sure, you could use a blanket to cover yourself, and not be able to see what the f*ck you doing...not to mention the kid pops off as soon as the blanket hits his head because, come on, who really wants to be partially suffocated while eating? And also, breastmilk stains.

And yes, you could pump at home and bring it in a bottle with you, but pumping is even a bigger pain than just nursing, what with all the cleaning and assembling and disassembling and storing that goes along with it. And, oh yeah, it makes you feel bovine.

Formula is great in that respect, since it is much easier to administer and it allows for shared feeding responsibility; but it is pricey and if you run out while you are out and about, you are totally screwed.

Nursing is great, despite all the crap both physically and interpersonally that goes along with it, mainly because it free, always available and once you've mastered it, it's very quick to do.

Three gigantic pros, especially if you have more than one child. For me, the health benefits are just an added bonus.

And the "entitled" moms aren't "glaring" at you, they usually aren't even seeing you at all through the sleep deprived haze that surrounds them like a fog. You really don't matter at all in our world, until you do something stupid like speak to us. So go about your business and leave us alone. If you choose to help out a mom struggling with a stroller, then bravo to you, I'm sure your mom would be proud. If you choose to eye with disdain, that's fine, but karma's a bitch.

Pooping is one of the most natural things you can do. It is essential to health. If I don't poop sooner or later, I will die. Therefore, you have no right to tell me not to poop on the Lawn in Central Park. You people are too uptight about necessary natural functions. You have all seen poop before, so I know your efforts to keep me from pooping in public are hypocritical, Puritanical, repressive bullshit.

Next time you see a woman breast feeding in public in NYC keep in mind that her body is saturated with endorphins. This process helps her to produce adequate amounts of milk for her baby in a sometimes stressful situation and allows her to not give a shit about the dumb asses passing by who just don't get it. BTW I never glared at anyone while breast-feeding four years ago, I always just smiled serenely enjoying the cityscape on a hormonal high.

Veber I actually agree with you, but I could have done without your pointless anecdote about the IQ crap. Breastfed babies -any baby can grow up to be a fat dumbass.

With regard to breast-feeding in public:

Breast-feeding is the most natural thing in the world.

Breast milk is the first food any mammals ever had. And humans are mammals.

Babies need their nourishment, they need to "eat" and anyone who doesn't get that has "issues," which are THEIR problem and no one else's issues should prevent a baby from being fed when the baby needs to be fed.

A little discretion goes a long way, and a light-weight carefully placed blanket can help cover any potential problem with visibility -- but with or without "blankie" when the baby needs to eat the baby needs to eat. And that basic human need overrides any delicate sensibilities!

My husband and I are both the eldest of 7 children ALL of whom were breast fed -- All 14 of whom score in the top 2% on IQ and standardized tests -- as do our 4 daughters whom I breast fed -- and discretely when in public -- in fact, I doubt anyone ever knew when I fed them in public.

The hubby & I both have a deep abiding appreciation for the breast as the most beneficial and giving art-form on earth!

~*:]*~

Kapil Desai wrote:

>While manufactured formula is the second best option for those can't breast-feed, despite being modeled after human, it is still doesn’t hold up against the real thing. Though it's a great pinch-hitter for when mom is taking a medication which may get into her milk or has a disease, like HIV, which may also end up there.

Just for the record:

- According to the WHO, formula is FOURTH best. First is milk straight from the breast, second is the mother's milk fed another way (cup, dropper, bottle etc.,) third is another mother's milk, and LAST is an artificial substitute.

- There are very few medications that cannot be take whilst nursing, and almost all of them have substitutes which are safe.

hey misc.,

I was the one who said that I would feel sequestered in the suburbs. Not to imply that New York (or any other city) is the center of the world, but it's certainly been the center of mine for the last ten years.

Being sequestered is a bit of an exaggeration, but for someone who lives within a short bike or walk to nearly everyone and everything I love, it's not much of one. Having grown up in the suburbs, they offer a lot of really wonderful things, but they aren't for everybody, especially people who hate spending time in a car.

* sorry for all the long posts, everyone!

Hey! Actually no

"Less that 30% of human breast tissue is devoted to lactation: so why do we have them, then? They've developed as a sexual signal to men."

Maybe you explanation of the the Bonobos breast is the reason that the male Bonobos screw the male and the female Bonobos. (sorry different subject matter)

Bonobos and chimps do not have the same diet or the same DNA as humans. It doesn't matter where the nipple rests, high (tripple D)or (low double A) it is still going to draw the milk from the ducts in the breast or mammory glands.

Breast are not sexual "signals" for men or women. They are a "signal" that the body is producing fat in that area of the body. Cancer loves the fat cell in the breast. And fat breast come from years of additives and preservatives that have affected the DNA.

It is not breast that men are stimulated by. It is the sent of a woman. You are like Pavlovs dog. You equate the breast in your mind with the sent of a women and you become arroused.

squirelly -

I'm fine with seeing tit, but don't expect me to help carry your stroller, bring you water, or rub your feet

misc. rants:

How did a scientific paper on the merits of breast feeding become an example of a patriarchal society trying to make women feel guilty? I guess some people always need to feel oppressed. Hardly anyone has said women shouldn't breast feed in public, only that they would prefer if they were more discreet.

On maternity leave, I have known more than a few women that pump their breasts at the office and either messengered the milk home or had their nanny or husband come pick it up. Men can get leave from their jobs as well and some people choose to stagger it so they put a newborn in daycare.

Actually I would prefer if women weren't showing their "coin slots" all over town. I'm not "offended" or "embarrassed". I come from the school that what you don't see can be sexier.

And whoever equated suburbia with being sequestered is obviously one of the "New York is the center of the universe" crowd. Some people enjoy the open space. Some people make friends with their neighbors and don't see feel isolated. And frankly, by the time you're in your thirties you don't need access to Chinese food at 4 AM.

And if women really believe that breasts were only about child rearing then push up bras and low cut tops wouldn't sell - even if the patriarchal fashion world tried to force it down your throat. Get real.

Doot Doot, no need to get sniffy. you're welcome to your opinion, but respond with evidence, not insults.

Arguing the "primary purpose" of the breast (or any other body part) makes no sense unless you're a creationist. If you're not, all we can do is look at what it's used for, and what the structures in it do.

The human female breast is present from menarche on: much, much less time is devoted to suckling. More than two-thirds of the tissue is not devoted to milk production. In short, neither time nor tissue suggests that the breast is "primarily" for lactation.

Is the breast used for lactation? Of course. Should women be allowed to breast-feed in public? of course. Should they politicize the act, and turn biology into a holier-than-thou crusade? Of course not.

Oh, and Kapil?

Best use ever of a Red Hot Chili Peppers cover.

Wake up and realize that the breasts, mammory glands, are not for a grown man or grown womans sexual gratification. Some lessons in America are needed in anatomy and biology.

There should not be booths with R&B music playing. That was a stupid thought.

The American society has the entire case on breast feeding backwards. It shouldn't be an embarrassment to the public or the person breast feeding.

If you can bare women walking around with their tits and ass out, surely you can endure a few moments of an infant breast feeding.

The breasts are for a practical purpose, feeding an infant.

Duderinoo —

You're totally right that entitled mothers with large and aggressive strollers are maddening, and I'm grateful not to live in Park Slope.

On the other hand, while the suburbs are def. the obvious spot for child-raising, I absolutely f*cking hate living in them. The idea of having being sequestered in suburbia when I have kids, simply because some city people get squemish at the sight of a titty and lack small doses of consideration, is enough to fill me with pre-natal depression.

My understanding is that the science says it's BETTER to breast-feed, not that formula is harmful. The distinction is that mothers who do not breastfeed are not harming their children. Motherhood is hard enough. Society offers most mothers (even upper middle class married ones) too little support. So yeah, let's make them feel even more inadequate? (FYI: I will breast feed, but you guys are real dicks about it)