Gothamist: Poor Moynihan Station is Stuck in Development Hell

elliot

Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:13:27 -0500

"I fail to see how the Moynihan Station project is vital or important. Yes, the current Penn Station sucks but that's what happens when people are short sighted and tear down buildings in the name of progress i.e. the original Penn Station. Sometimes you have to live with your mistakes. How many times have we been told that the money spent on a vanity project like the West Side Stadium could be better spent on firemen or teachers. Well here is another example." --It's psychology; when you come to New York through Penn Station, do you have a grand, ennobling experience, or do you sneak in underground like a troll. I find it telling that three hugely impactful projects (penn station, freedom tower, and the 2nd avenue subway) are all in limbo, particularly being in New York City. Conservatives don't like New York (all the more so now with Hillary representing the state), and don't like trains, so the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if some of this is directed. Of course, it could also be asked: where the hell is the Mayor? I would argue that these projects are several orders of magnitude more important than any stadium, yet where is Bloomberg spending his time, energy, and money? Those towers over the post office look like crap. Somewhere else they wouldn't be so bad, but sitting on top of a palace, they just look gawd-awful. Maybe the new congress will see the light. No guarantees, but a man can dream. Elliot

make do with what you have

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:59:32 -0500

I fail to see how the Moynihan Station project is vital or important. Yes, the current Penn Station sucks but that's what happens when people are short sighted and tear down buildings in the name of progress i.e. the original Penn Station. Sometimes you have to live with your mistakes. How many times have we been told that the money spent on a vanity project like the West Side Stadium could be better spent on firemen or teachers. Well here is another example.

Robert

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:57:00 -0500

Here here jmchez!

jmchez

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:33:01 -0500

I agree with what Oscar said. I hate the MSG owners so much that I'm also reposting my last comments on this issue. ------------- Is there no end to the nefariousness of the MSG owners? Whether you were for or against the West Side stadium you got to admit that they fought it for utterly selfish reasons. But worse of all, have they no shame or sense of history? The destruction of the old Penn Station was, perhaps, the greatest act of civic vandalism ever perpetrated on an American city. As if the station sacrificed itself to save others, its destruction lead to the landmarks preservation law that has saved many other structures, including Grand Central Terminal. The Penn Station wreckers promised a magnificent and modern station to replace the old one, instead we got dark and dowdy bus depot style basement. Now we are, once again fighting for a new station worthy of the city and this guys with their greed want to interfere once again and build yet one more banal tower just like 1 Penn Plaza? I'm surprised that they are not suggesting to move MSG downtown as long as they can build over the Calatrava designed terminal there. That the sh*tty looking and disposable (they started talking about moving it after only 20 years) drum set that is MSG got built is a disgrace, that they would try to repeat history is beyond criminal.

Toby

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:22:36 -0500

Anyone who has set foot in the underground hell that is Penn Station can tell you - do not build ugly garbage on top of train stations!

mothra

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:23:13 -0500

here here oscar!

Brightliner

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:18:11 -0500

So Moynihan Station is stuck in development hell but Atlantic Yards is full steam ahead. Where's the justice?

oscar madison

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:00:51 -0500

just another example of jim dolan acting like a spoiled little kid and fucking up something important for the city. If MSG gets any break, and is allowed to alter the plans for this project, the citizens of this city should hunt him down and kill him. MSG should have to pay a luxury tax for being allowed to field such disgraceful excuses for professional sports teams, and a double tax for illegally fighting the plans for a west side stadium. Their interest in a new garden is proof of their motives and all the crap they promoted was just bullshit. jim dolan is a cancerous pus filled boil - if you see him on the street don't even bother saying anything, just spit on him.

Kevin Walsh

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:44:58 -0500

When Spitzer gets in, he'll probably cancel it anyway. www.forgotten-ny.com

Ace

Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:22:00 -0500

just keep moving it farther away from the 6th ave subway lines.