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There's a really good article in the Observer about how the Moynihan Station may now be a new fight between the city, state, and some important real estate bigwigs. The developers in charge of the project want to move Madision Square Garden to the Ninth Avenue part of the Farley Post Office lot (Moynihan Station will take the Eighth Avenue side); the Dolans who own MSG will only move if they get tax breaks and if MSG can use the Eighth Avenue entrance; and Pataki's people just want the Moynihan project to start this year...but the city wants to wait and see what happens with moving MSG to the site. Two weeks ago, developers Related and Vornado "took some plastic and wooden models of the Penn Station area to show off in a series of meetings with City Hall, important business associations and the New York Times editorial board," in order to gain support for a combined project. But, for all the business leader support it does have (though there needs to be an extra $1 billion from God knows where to build it), it's questionable how quickly the project can get off the ground. The article closes with this:
“There is a reality that if you go this route, you would not go as quickly,” said Richard Anderson, the president of the New York Building Congress, which gave measured support for the arena swap at the public hearing. “It will certainly take longer to do. On the other hand, the straightforward Moynihan Station plan has not gotten off the ground.That's so true - we've been wondering if the Moynihan Station plans are just a mirage. For once, we agree with NY State development people and hope the project gets started.
“If you have the right project,” he said, “sometimes it will take less time than the wrong project, especially if there are powerful economic incentives on all sides. If this is the right project, everyone will rally behind it.”
A 2005 rendering of the Moynihan Station, which means it's probably past its due date
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just keep moving it farther away from the 6th ave subway lines.
When Spitzer gets in, he'll probably cancel it anyway.
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just another example of jim dolan acting like a spoiled little kid and fucking up something important for the city. If MSG gets any break, and is allowed to alter the plans for this project, the citizens of this city should hunt him down and kill him.
MSG should have to pay a luxury tax for being allowed to field such disgraceful excuses for professional sports teams, and a double tax for illegally fighting the plans for a west side stadium. Their interest in a new garden is proof of their motives and all the crap they promoted was just bullshit.
jim dolan is a cancerous pus filled boil - if you see him on the street don't even bother saying anything, just spit on him.
So Moynihan Station is stuck in development hell but Atlantic Yards is full steam ahead. Where's the justice?
here here oscar!
Anyone who has set foot in the underground hell that is Penn Station can tell you - do not build ugly garbage on top of train stations!
I agree with what Oscar said. I hate the MSG owners so much that I'm also reposting my last comments on this issue.
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Is there no end to the nefariousness of the MSG owners? Whether you were for or against the West Side stadium you got to admit that they fought it for utterly selfish reasons. But worse of all, have they no shame or sense of history?
The destruction of the old Penn Station was, perhaps, the greatest act of civic vandalism ever perpetrated on an American city. As if the station sacrificed itself to save others, its destruction lead to the landmarks preservation law that has saved many other structures, including Grand Central Terminal. The Penn Station wreckers promised a magnificent and modern station to replace the old one, instead we got dark and dowdy bus depot style basement.
Now we are, once again fighting for a new station worthy of the city and this guys with their greed want to interfere once again and build yet one more banal tower just like 1 Penn Plaza? I'm surprised that they are not suggesting to move MSG downtown as long as they can build over the Calatrava designed terminal there.
That the sh*tty looking and disposable (they started talking about moving it after only 20 years) drum set that is MSG got built is a disgrace, that they would try to repeat history is beyond criminal.
Here here jmchez!
I fail to see how the Moynihan Station project is vital or important. Yes, the current Penn Station sucks but that's what happens when people are short sighted and tear down buildings in the name of progress i.e. the original Penn Station. Sometimes you have to live with your mistakes. How many times have we been told that the money spent on a vanity project like the West Side Stadium could be better spent on firemen or teachers. Well here is another example.
"I fail to see how the Moynihan Station project is vital or important. Yes, the current Penn Station sucks but that's what happens when people are short sighted and tear down buildings in the name of progress i.e. the original Penn Station. Sometimes you have to live with your mistakes. How many times have we been told that the money spent on a vanity project like the West Side Stadium could be better spent on firemen or teachers. Well here is another example."
--It's psychology; when you come to New York through Penn Station, do you have a grand, ennobling experience, or do you sneak in underground like a troll.
I find it telling that three hugely impactful projects (penn station, freedom tower, and the 2nd avenue subway) are all in limbo, particularly being in New York City. Conservatives don't like New York (all the more so now with Hillary representing the state), and don't like trains, so the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if some of this is directed.
Of course, it could also be asked: where the hell is the Mayor? I would argue that these projects are several orders of magnitude more important than any stadium, yet where is Bloomberg spending his time, energy, and money?
Those towers over the post office look like crap. Somewhere else they wouldn't be so bad, but sitting on top of a palace, they just look gawd-awful. Maybe the new congress will see the light. No guarantees, but a man can dream.
Elliot