Gothamist: Another Madison Square Garden?

B

Tue, 30 May 2006 16:08:15 -0500

What all of the previous posts ignore is that the original Moynihan station plan you all are trying to save consisted of 350,000 SF of train station and 850,000 SF of private commercial space. This private space was proposed to be mostly for big box retail stores like Target. Where was the concern about the new Penn Station being swallowed up by Target? Now the developers are proposing to build this 850,000 SF of private space (that they were always getting) as a new MSG. A trade - MSG instead of Target. The train station componant stays as part of the plan. And when this is all done we get two brand new stations instead of one. Someone help me out here. I don't see how this is a bad thing.

Dave

Mon, 29 May 2006 12:29:01 -0500

Disagree with Toby. We desperately need arenas in this city, and it's because of fights like these that our teams play in decades-old death traps. But yes, private money only please.

Andrew J. Lederer

Sun, 28 May 2006 23:49:15 -0500

You left out the fact that the old Penn Station was replaced (and its remnant entombed) by the current Garden. And whether it's a good idea or not, now that we're finally closing in on a resurrection (of sorts) of some of the original Penn's glories, it seems they want to encapsulate it within a new Garden.

interlard

Sun, 28 May 2006 09:32:22 -0500

Here, here, Toby! Let the greedy invest their own money to make their millions. NOT MINE!

Toby

Sat, 27 May 2006 21:11:05 -0500

There is no need for any new arenas in the City of New York. If someone wants to build an arena, they should: buy the land with no help from any government and pay for it with their own money. Arenas and stadiums benefit a few very rich people so there is no need to mess with projects that actually benefit people - like the Farley conversion. When was the last time you shelled out an obscene amount of money to see millionaires play a children's game?

jmchez

Sat, 27 May 2006 15:18:55 -0500

Is there no end to the nefariousness of the MSG owners? Whether you were for or against the West Side stadium you got to admit that they fought it for utterly selfish reasons. But worse of all, have they no shame or sense of history? The destruction of the old Penn Station was, perhaps, the greatest act of civic vandalism ever perpetrated on an American city. As if the station sacrificed itself to save others, its destruction lead to the landmarks preservation law that has saved many other structures, including Grand Central Terminal. The Penn Station wreckers promised a magnificent and modern station to replace the old one, instead we got dark and dowdy bus depot style basement. Now we are, once again fighting for a new station worthy of the city and this guys with their greed want to interfere once again and build yet one more banal tower just like 1 Penn Plaza? I'm surprised that they are not suggesting to move MSG downtown as long as they can build over the Calatrava designed terminal there. That the sh*tty looking and disposable (they started talking about moving it after only 20 years) drum set that is MSG got built is a disgrace, that they would try to repeat history is beyond criminal.