Subway Flasher Sentenced to Probation

Probation for molestation of his genital location in a public situation within a subway station.

Yea the Rosa Parks comments is way off base.

the guy is a total nut job, I like how he says he survived for years drinking his own urine, and that he developed a taste for it.
Oh man, I wish I was that crazy.

cant stand those 'hollaback' bitches. granted, some of the examples cited are unquestionably out of line but i've also seen postings that are pretty harmless. i mean, if i guy says 'wow - you look great today!', is he a pig? or is he only a pig if he says it and isn't good looking?

as chris rock said, if clarence thomas looked like denzel washington, none of this would've happened.

You mean he's the "Rosy Palms" of flashers' civil rights.

Didn't this douche say that if the chick met him in a different circumstance, she'd want to date him? What a pompous moron. The only reason he didn't get jail time is because he woulda been EATEN alive in Rikers. Fancy little man who likes to show his stuff off in public? he wouldn't last 5 minutes.

This guy makes me want to get a camera phone real bad.

To the person who quoted Chris Rock: Do you realize that you're using the same rationiale that rapists use? You're really going to sit there and claim that the whole problem is that the victims are prejudiced? And I suppose if the people who linched Black folks in the south were Black, too, the Civil Rights movement never would have happened. And Anna, thanks for making a great point. Jesus. I would have thought that at least the readers of this site would be a little more enlightened. Fucking assholes.

I don't like being sexually harassed by ANYONE, no matter how good looking they may be. If a woman is open to talking to you, you'll know because she'll turn around and talk to you. But if you come at a woman with a bunch of "yo mami, nice ass," bullshit or whip your dick out then yeah, she's probably not gonna wanna talk to you, hot or not.

duh,

of course not - but despite some peoples insistance to the contrary - we're not talking about the dick-whipping-out kind of interaction.

I personally love it when men hoot and holler when I walk by. It makes me feel special. When women say "no" it's really "yes".

If she's the "Rosa Parks" of this movement, then she should "flash" back at the flasher.
a la Dom Irrera "Jerry, you're like Rosa Parks. You opened the door for all of us. I can't wait 'til the next time someone heckles me."

"me" -
you'd be surprised how many good-looking pervs and creeps who provide unsolicited commentary there are out there. And since how men behave matters, if a hottie acts like an asshole (i.e., stranger making unsolicited remarks), he becomes instantly unattractive. A stranger commenting on my ass, however much they might like it, is not welcome. My boyfriend's commentary on how much he likes my ass - welcome. So please, enough with the angry women b.s.

k,

an unsolicited remark is NEVER welcome? regardless of the remark or the remarker?

curious... how'd you meet your boyfriend?

d-uh!! some people just cannot effing use their heads and think before they open their stupid effing mouths (or flies). EVERYONE is entitled to their private space around their immediate body even in public. yes, women are beautiful, but they are more so if they are left alone and happy. cripes, is it sooooo hard to just leave people alone!

for the "fly guys" girls should perhaps carry a good, strong, irritating spray. yowza!

it's so clear that "me" is the bitter one here. He has probably done his share of harrassing, only he convinced himself that the women he was making rude overtures to really wanted him to talk to them like that and when they reacted negatively he became this bitter, angry guy who wears his women-hating issues on his sleeve. C'mon ladies, we all know the type so well.

honey,

ok, you caught me. in fact i have gone up to a woman on the street and politely introduced myself. we've been married 8 years now and expecting our first child in november.

thanks for your well wishes - glad to see i was wrong about you being angry.

Not at all, dear... it's a common mistake with guys like yourself. ;)

"ME" you are an idiot. You obviously do harrassing of your own and realize the Holla Back girls will oneday foil your shitty existance.
I think those girls are doing an amazing thing with that site. My girlfriend is constantly harrassed on the street and it has even brought her to tears.
How would you like it if people constantly made unsolicited comments about you wherever you went. I would imagine it would make you feel really shity. But then again you are a douche bag so maybe not.

The subhed at HollabackNYC says that women have the right to feel 'sexy'. Now I'm used to the more buttoned down version of privacy or the claim that one's mode of dress is one's own business.

But for the HBNYC supports (ladies, I mean), where does the notion of 'sexy' come from? Doesn't a good portion of it come form the reinforcement of others?

I'm as narcissitic as the next NYer. I think I look pretty damn good some days, and I'm affirmed even more so when it draws a comment of two. Make me feel sexy (I'm a het guy, btw, though I welcome gratuituous praises of my physical being by all genders, species, etc.).

It's not that I haven't seen myriad ugly attempts to compliment women; but it's one thing to demand absolute privacy versus policing the passes so they are uniquely celebratory to you and not offensive (and believe me, the range of comments, delivered at the right place and time, it broad). That isn't any advance for leveling the playing field between the sexes. That's just being whiny.

Men complimenting women on the street is NOT with gracious intent. I didn't ask you what you thought of how I look - I'm just trying to go about my business and I don't need someone with questionable intentions bothering me. I don't feel the need to yell at men and tell them they look good. Men have NO FUCKING IDEA what women in this city deal with. If you're nice to these assholes then they try to follow you home. If you ignore them they call you a bitch and try to physically assault you. There is no winning at this game and only one person's safety is at risk: mine. Am I angry about that? You'd better fucking believe it. I have been chased, touched against my will, and called a bevy of unsavory names just for walking on the street.

Smitty has it right.

I agree with some of the perspectives that "me" and "i'm too sexy..." bring forth, since I could easily see myself being targeted by a few of these women who are hell-bent on twisting innocuous comments from men into harrassment. The intent of stopping the obvious harrassment is laudable yet dubious objective of HBNYC. I suspect that this will really be another case of perverse incentives, since the real offenders are not likely to be dissuaded by the potential (if they are even aware of it) of being posted to a website. Personally, I am planning to keep to myself and mind all my manners for fear of either being subjected to website humiliation or fines from the NYPD. It seems that the city is becoming an urban version of Pleasantville except that the people who cause problems won't likely change. Put another (more melodramatic) way, is the death penalty really a deterrent to murder?

Then again, I've neither killed anyone nor catcalled/yelled/etc. at a woman on the street/subway.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I really think that it should be okay for people to interact and compliment one another - especially when we spend so much time and effort on sartorial splendor in this town...

Come on guys! The hollaback people aren't saying you can't compliment a woman. They're saying you can't yell a 'compliment' at a woman you don't know on the street. It's all about acknowledging that women have a right to be left alone, same as us. We can compliment women we don't know, but we have to make sure they're not doing something that shouldn't be interrupted (like walking), introduce ourselves politely, apologize for interrupting whatever they're doing, and ask if it's okay to speak to them first. It's threatening for a woman to be approached by a stranger, so we have to make it clear that we're not trying to be jerks. The difference between harassment and a compliment is that harassment doesn't recognize that women have a right to be in public without being bothered, and we don't have a right to talk to them just because we want to. I think it's pretty obvious, and guys who say they don't understand are just making excuses for themselves.

"Me" you need counselling so you can understand that any UNSOLICITED comment is ALWAYS harrassment. I like the standard that typoid posted: if you woudln't say or do the same thing to a man, then it's not okay.

Or perhaps it was okay when that creep told me about my NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER that "she'll be 18 in 9 years." He didn't even directly talk to her, so what's the problem, right?

You're damn straight I'm angry. I'm angry that jerkwads like you think it's okay to make unsolicited comments. Does your wife think it's okay? Ask her how she feels when a complete stranger says something to her about her appearance. Oh, and just b/c she's pregnant does not mean it won't continue to happen. It happened to me when pregnant. It happened to me before and after having kids. When I was young and skinny and when I was older and fat and (one some days) grubby. It happened to me when I was 13 and just walking along in my innocent revery. And it should.never.happen. Period.

I'll give you another explanation of why an unsolicited comment is never innocent. Because what is the intent behind those compliments, no matter how politely stated? It is to bring to the woman's attention that the speaker finds her sexually attractive. Unless you're in a swingers club, you should always assume the woman is NOT seeking a partner. To assume otherwise is lewd.

To recap: the very act of interrupting a stranger to inform her that you have sexual feelings about her -- regardless of how your childish mind tries to justify it -- is always wrong. Always.

Get it? Got it? Good! Although I don't think you're reading this old thread, I just had to say it. Why? BECAUSE YOU ASKED!

In addittion to my post, it also became apparent that a lot of verbally abusive language was also being used whilst communication is going on between people. Anger stirs this, but we all have our own issues and to deal with them we need to address our issues and not hurl them at others. Abuse is abuse and in all forms but breeds and stems from language as it does the physical and emotional so beware! - This is the society we have and are creating and this is called a cycle of abuse in which we rotate and perpetuate the very problems we are currently are in debate about.

People who abuse come from a point of being powerless and therfore have to render another powerless to feel powerful. To gain real power, it is to respect the opinions of oneanother even if we disagree and not to use sarcasm or abusive language - this is what makes for abuse of all kind as it shows the capacity for other types of abuse when the position of being powerless is being adopted. Please read Liz Adamson, she is the greatest author on this subject and teaches us all what we so easily become ignorant of our own behaviours.