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Today, between 3PM and 7PM, many people are planning to attend an immigration rally at City Hall. There are a couple different plans (the Daily News says some are marching over the Brooklyn Bridge again while others will start at Washington Square Park), with students, taxi drivers and other service workers will walk out or leave work in order to attend the rally. Yesterday's rally in Dallas had hundreds of thousands of people.
For more information about protests regarding the country's immigration bill, check out April10.org. There's an Op-Ed in the NY Times urging for immigration policies that encourage skilled, versus unskilled, immigrants; the Daily News' publisher Mort Zuckerman has similar points, but mainly focuses support on Senator John McCain's proposed bill. And Gothamist on the April 1 rally.
Updated: The rally is drawing big crowds downtown. One reader who works by Washington Square Park says that she couldn't turn without seeing the police. Keep sending us your tips and pictures.
Photograph of today's rally participants by Boss Tweed on Flickr via Gothamist Contribute
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How come they're not holding American flags? Do they really want immigration or just more liberal guest worker status.
Let's be honest here, immigration means coming to America to become an American. Guest workers come here because we have more opportunity and wealth than anywhere else yet have no interest in starting their lives anew as Americans.
I saw the rally, as well as the last one, and I have to say Old Glory was as well represented as the tricolors of Mexico and Venezuela and truth be told, Ireland.
Let's be honest here, it's only about a million friggin' times more difficult to attain citizenship now than it was when my great-grandparents first made the trip. Back then, all you had to do was sign a document written in a language that you could not understand that said you'd sign over all your wages to a guy who was waiting at the dock. It's a little bit different today.
Let's also be honest here, when was the last time one of us had a real conversation with any of these folks to really find out if they did or did not want to start their lives anew as Americans, or are we just making dopey assumptions?
Isn't it possible to want to be an American citizen AND retain some pride in your heritage?
No one criticizes people holding Irish flags during the St. Patrick's Day parade.
I was not born in this country, but I am an American. I work my ass off, pay my taxes, and contribute more to society than a lot of born-and-bred Americans. Anyone that has a problem with that can KISS MY ASS.
What's an American?
Are people protesting ANY legislation that puts a cap on illegals coming in?
Or are there specific stipulations that they object to?
Because illegal immigrants protesting against any kind of control are de facto opportunistic parasites who don't belong here. They want an open door policy so they can continue the free for all leech-fest at the expense of this country.
Tim
The idea that there was an open door policy on immigration back in the day IS JUST NOT TRUE.
It waxed and waned according to demand. And if you had TB or any other type of compromising disease, back home you went.
Furthermore, the pressure back then to assimilate and work your ass off was much greater.
I have nothing against immigrants coming in.
But having no policy and control over the situation is laughable.
It is not up to illegals to dictate how we will regulate our borders. It's our responsibility and it's about time we became responsible instead of passively turning a blind eye on the whole thing.
Why are we the band aid for Mexico's and Central America's economic woes anyway? How paternalistic!
Does anyone know if offices down around City Hall are closing early due to the protest?
Policies were much more lenient and much more exploitive at the turn of the century. Truly restrictive immigration policy did not take hold until the 20s when Congress was in the throes of a nativist backlash. Read your history.
We do have an immigration policy. And it is completely irrelevant and inadquate to economic, social, and security needs faced today. Read a newspaper.
"Furthermore, the pressure back then to assimilate and work your ass off was much greater." True, because most illegals in this country don't work at all, right?
"...can continue the free for all leech-fest at the expense of this country..." That's certainly true... look how many illegals are living high on the hog while us poor working stiffs are just scraping by.
"It is not up to illegals to dictate how we will regulate our borders." Are they dictating? If they are, they're not doing a very good job, or they wouldn't be illegals now, would they?
Tim N.
"Truly restrictive immigration policy did not take hold until the 20s..."
Restrictive immigration policy started much earlier, specifically in 1882 when the US passed the first anti-immigration law, The Chinese Exclusion Act. In fact, Chinese were ineligible for citizenship till 1943 (thanks to WWII).
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/chinex.htm
Otherwise, you have made good points. :)
I stand corrected, I was thinking about restrictions on Europeans. You are right.
David you are right.
Three of my grandparents were immigrants, one of them had to be sponsored by a citizen in order to be able to come here from Ireland. My Jewish grandmother was a sickly child, who contracted scabies on the boat ride over, and there was a delay in letting her in at Ellis Island. The whole family was detained because of it. At one point there was discussion of sending them all back.
Russian Jews, which my maternal grandparents were, were considered lowly, dirty, and way too peasantlike by the general populace, and the longer residing German Jews were pressured into "civilizing" (i.e. Americanizing) Russian Jews so that the American Jewish community did not get a blemish on it.
My father's cousin from Ireland immigrated in the 1950s and was not allowed to be here unless my naturalized Irish grandmother sponsored her.
Do I know my history indeed! piss off!
I still want my question answered. Do illegals and their insipid sympathizers think that there is no ceiling on how many, and who we let in?
Is that what the protest is about?
Or is there some specific clause or stipulation that y'll have trouble with?
In other words, do these folks have a problem with the McCain Kennedy bill? Because I sure don't. It's fair and square.
Anybdoy who thinks that bill is too harsh needs their ass hauled out of here now.
"...can continue the free for all leech-fest at the expense of this country..." That's certainly true... look how many illegals are living high on the hog while us poor working stiffs are just scraping by.
Tim, I totally agree! As a child of incredibly hard working Colombian immigrants, I know for a fact that my family couldn't wait to become legalized so that they could at least start to get paid minimum wage. I'm sure most of those here illigally would prefer top get a fair (minimum=fair?) wage. What bothers me the most is the dehumanization and criminalization of the immigrants. Whether or not they (we!) have a right to be here is definitely up for public debate, however, let's not forget that we bleed the same god-damned red blood and if you prick us, we will be heard!
The immigrants aren't the problem --at least they weren't until they started thinking they could mandate our policies.
The problem is a sloppy policy on the part of the government.
What I take issue with is these people thinking they are citizens and having a right to dictate our policy.
There is a demand to fix something that is badly broken. And I am not in any mood (like most logical Americans) to be told not to fix a broken wagon simply because some "victims" want to keep riding on it.
The attitude of entitlement is astounding.
We are obliged to no one. Immigration is viable as long as there is a need for the labor. Beyond that..pffffftttt.
There is also the question of whether illegal immigrants, by their very presence, are contributing to keeping wages low, and consequently competing with disenfranched Americans who would do that work if they could afford to live at the bare minimum.
It's one thing to outsource to another country where workers can afford to live on the low wage you pay them. It's quite another to force American citizens to work at immigrant rates, eh?
Oh Suz...
"The immigrants aren't the problem"
They obviously are to you. If only "these" people will just go away and never come back, life will be just peachy. Not to use the cliched question of how did your family come about into these shores, but seriously, there must be some immigrant in your family's closet somewhere -- hopefully not cleaning it, but I digress. I am not an immigrant as I was born in this country so I have EVERY right, as you say, to dictate what happens. I have voted in every election since I was 18 because my parents instilled that in me. They too are now citizens and have voted in every election ever since. For them to just shut up and forget their roots is unrealistic. They represent millions of immigrants that have become law abiding, tax paying citizens. Entitlement? Why don't you start with a little respcet first.
In terms of keeping the wages low, it should be up to the government to decide how much we want to exploit the low waged immigrants.
Javster - Sorry to interrupt your stream of sanctimonious misrepresentations, but why don't you take a crack at answering Suz's perfectly reasonable question? Do you think there should be limits on how many people we allow in each year or not? And if so, what should the limit be? Answer without whining, if possible.
I probably should have read your additional comments Suz before typing in my response, but since I did, it makes me even sadder that that is how you feel.
Nola, notice how my question is NOT being answered??
This tells you that the agenda in this protest is not honest.
Javster et al are skirting the issue.
Thankfully, the Senate is being pressured by the public at large (folks like us), who do not like dishonest and sloppy policy.
Leeches fare well in chaos. But chaos shall not prevail.
No matter what I say, you'll still have negative feelings towards immigrants. "These people" "Leeches" and god knows what other words you use really are telling of how you feel about so many people that I love and that, to me, is frustrating. Sorry Nola if that sounds like whining to you, but I thought this was an open forum to present thoughts and ideas, no matter how they come out.
However, I agree there is a need for some kind of reform. It's unfair to ask me how many because I'm no expert. But really, who gets to decide. If it's the public at large (you people), would it be fair to then ignore a minority population? Why are so many people being ignored?
Should there be a cap? Probably. I know that's not a popular answer to pro-immigrant groups, but there probably should be. But how will a cap affect the way immigrants are perceieved. Will the ones arriving leaglly be welcomed? Will the ones already here get any rights taken away? There are a lot of problems with the current policy, and with all the bills being presented. It's not an easy open/shut case.
My biggest issue is the lack of respect. I may not agree with everything that will be said at the rally, but I'm there to support a need for some compassion and understanding.
Again, I'm in no way an expert in the topic and would love for the real experts, whoever they are, help in the decision making. I just go by how this affects me and so many people I know.
So adios amigos, I'm off to support...
Suz, please... five postings in just under an hour? Gees, chill McGill.
The stories of your Jewish ancestors sounds very much like the stories of my Italian ancestors, with the added attraction of anti-Semitism. (I'm also half Irish, so we can talk forever on that...) We can swap war stories all day long... and respectfully, I might add. But to the matters at hand...
Your point about this is a failure of policy over people is a good one, and I agree. Without solid policy for too many years, things swing from one extreme to the other.
If the folks marching across the bridge were non-citizens presumptuously acting like citizens than I would share your outrage. But, in fact, they are in many cases people who have lived here for years, worked their asses off, like I know my family and I'm safely assuming yours did as well, who are now being told they are the reason for the security and economic woes of this nation and are being told to get the hell out. And given the fact that they are paying the price for the failure of policy, I understand their outrage.
Throw in how much of the anti-immigrant rhetoric is tinged with overt or covert racism (present comapny excluded, we're just talkin' here) and you see what gets people to the bridge.
Under the bill that the Senate left by the wayside (and the House wouldn't even touch) immigrants would have to pay fines and face other tough but doable penalties if they showed the incentive to become citizens. Shouldn't that be rewarde for showing the same incentive that our families did?
Re: quotas, number of people we let in... I don't recall saying anything about quotas, just commenting on the differing nature of laws then and now, but since you asked... frankly, I'm not sure. Slamming the door on 12 million people is wrong, but do we admit them all? Certainly not in any blanket fashion, but without a balanced policy the matter is extraneous. Personally, I have always believed if someone comes here with the dream of being a US citizen, then that demands consideration.
i think they're protesting against the bill to make illegal immigrants criminals. which is totally unreasonable in so many ways, espeically considering the fact that a good portion of them are children.
Javster - Thanks for clarifying the obvious: you are no expert. Clearly, specific policies are not of interest to you, so go back to watching Oprah and leave us alone.
Tim - You do this issue a great disservice by pulling out that tired race card in lieu of real debate. Stop telling us how sensitive you are and start telling us how many illegal aliens is too many. If you are in favor of open borders then stand up and say it. Your arguments seem to support that position but then you back away. Very convenient.
Suz has raised the right questions and you guys just do not want to give any answers. Much easier to pass on more blather about grandma and grandpa or make generic pleas for tolerance - as if racism could be the only reason someone would want to see our laws enforced.
Why should I feel bad about posting 5 posts in an hour? Is this an attempt to shut me up?
I obviously feel strongly about this issue and too bad if that makes you feel uncomfortable.
Unlike the sanctimonious white guilters here, who never fail to chase an ambulance, I am NOT going to racialize this and start sounding the violins about poor nonwhites. That's your patronizing racist hangup--not mine.
I don't care whether we are talking about immigrants from Brazil, Ireland, Russia, Serbia, Viet nam, Guatemala, etc etc etc---implementing a policy where it is hard for illegals to come in and disappear into the crowd is a necessary policy .
Of course they don't like it. It no longer gives them free rein to sneak in here anytime they want.
I don't blame them for doing that. They were allowed to because of our permissive approach to immigration.
However...the fact that illegals feel so comfortable amassing, in full illegal status, in marches all over the country, tells you just how audacious this has become!
I'd laugh if INS rounded them all up and sent them back home.
Tim---the issue is not about legal immigrants. It's about illegals who slip through the cracks.
Why do those so-called legal protesters (I doubt they are legal) feel so strongly against cracking down on illegal entry? What is their agenda?
"i think they're protesting against the bill to make illegal immigrants criminals. which is totally unreasonable in so many ways,"
Pat--in other words, cracking down on illegal immigration is bad and we should just continue to ignore illegal entry into this country?
What do you think is going to deter them from coming? A lollipop and a milkshake at the border?
I shouldn't even ask...because obviously you think the door should be kept wide open indefinitely.
yikes...illogic is scary.
My posts are being censored.
Who is running this site, Stalin's great grandson?
But if we let all these Mexican wrestlers in, how will we ever find work for our God-blessed, patriotic, red-blooded Amurrican wrestlers? How? How?
There's simply no way we can compete with that kind of panache.
Let me give you an assimilation story. My father is the second generation son of a Swede who ran away from a mining village to come to the USA. My mother came from Ecuador, lived 13 to an apartment and worked in a factory (even though she was white-collar where she came from), till she married my father.
My father is a Buckley-ite Republican, to my disgust. And as soon as my mother became a citizen 20 years ago, she started voting Republican. Her whole family voted for Bush. In fact, many hispanics vote Republican, to my continuing amazement.
I just pray that if Bush backs off and ends up passing a law more beneficial for immigrants, those immigrants don't turn around and start voting Republican too.
People! If Bush does what's right, just say "thank you" and vote Democrat, for Christ's sake!
sigh... "leeches," ey? hm. largely they wipe your floors, keep your hospitals clean, harvest your strawberries and make sure you have your mimosas before 11am. looks like the good leechy life to me!
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sounds MORE like illegal immigrants keep things convenient and neat and tidy and are largely kept in the background, but once they want something like, say, JUST legislation, everyone starts giving them a boot to the ass.
without 'em, what would our country look like? face it, they take the jobs nobody wants... and then get jack-bubkis for it. sad how that works.
I think many Latinos continue to vote Republican because of the Christian religious ties to the Republican party.
"sigh... "leeches," ey? hm. largely they wipe your floors, keep your hospitals clean, harvest your strawberries and make sure you have your mimosas before 11am. looks like the good leechy life to me!
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sounds MORE like illegal immigrants keep things convenient and neat and tidy and are largely kept in the background, but once they want something like, say, JUST legislation, everyone starts giving them a boot to the ass.
without 'em, what would our country look like? face it, they take the jobs nobody wants... and then get jack-bubkis for it. sad how that works."
if they're so interested in this country's offerings and economic growth, they'll assimilate, take the easy peasy test and become americans, officially; pay taxes and not have any worries.
Actually, lots of us make fun of people waving Irish flags on St. Patrick's Day - but only the drunk frat boy types that know nothing of Ireland. Chances are that this guy is also wearing a Notre Dame sweatshirt.
And how do you think American's would be received if 100,000 marched in Paris on the 4th of July?
In case you didn't notice, due to the media backlash against the sea of Mexican flags at recent protests, many of the photos coming over the wire today are full of red, white and blue.
Why is it so shocking that undocumented immigrants in the streets today are organized enough to come out en masse?
And what's more, considering that they live in Queens, make tight-knit communities there and basically send all their money back home -- why are you so threatened?
Go ahead, wash the dishes.
If these people weren't here all those "jobs no one else wants to do" would be pay much better and would be gladly done by American citizens.
Supply and demand is a wonderful thing.
Allowing all these illegals amnesty will just encourage more to come...pretty soon America is a 3rd world country.
I never said we should have an open door policy. I think we definitly need some kind of reform. Rounding out all the illegals and put them in jail is not very pratical, considering there are children involve. I don't think it's fair to punish children who are brought here by their parents and grew up here.
There's no easy answer here, and I'm just saying making all undocument immigrants criminals is not the way.
Suz, i was there today and i can tell you that everyone came with their own reason to protest, rally, and march. The most blatent offense to me, is the Sensenbrenner Bill, deeming all undocumented immigrants criminals(turning law enforcement into INS officials) and all those who help them into criminals as well (churches and advocacy groups etc). I came because my grandmother came to this country was illegal and is today a citizen that votes. There were people there for amnesty. There were people there for reform. All I know is that they were all united for change in the US approach towards immigration.
As for the flag issue. There was a GREAT deal of american flags. I had both my Colombian flag and American flag waving, representing the union of the two culture:my definition of what being american is. We are a multiethnic people...New York a melting pot. And if you can't see that Suz, I'm sorry that you're not as proud to be an american as I am.
Hey, Nola, what's cookin'?
My friend, I wish the race card was tired. I just report what I see, hear, and read from the other side of the aisle, starting with some of the posts listed above. If the right doesn't like it, they should police themselves.
Her question deserved an honest answer and that's what it got. Will we hit the "too many" point at some point in the future? Perhaps. But do we need a more open-minded policy now? IMHO, absolutely.
A broken clock is right twice a day, and Bush's guest-worker program has merit, as does putting people already here on a citizenship tract. That's what people are protesting. They want to live in a better place, which I think we agree this nation is. They don't want to be shipped out after breaking their asses cleaning our houses.
Suz - all kidding aside, if you try to post too many messages one after the other you'll be cutoff. It's an automatic trip switch or something. Seriously, it's not you, it's the comment policy.
Newyorkette, you bring up a great point where others fear to tread. It's obvious a lot of the illegals also happen to be very religious. When Rebublicans start in on the God Talk again, who do you think they'll be voting for when they become citizens? Ugh.
I'd like to say, as an unashamed liberal, to people on both sides, look here: I almost cried at my South American friend's citizenship ceremony, and have friends from all over the world who hope to remain here. I also happen to have a big problem with businesses who also claim they "can't survive" without illegal help. Bull Shit. It's a pathetic excuse to pay substandard wages and no benefits.
I also have a lot of uninsured friends who are afraid of walking down the street in the event their relatives will go bankrupt if hit by a car. Illegals DO drain the healthcare system. I don't know if the two are related, but they're both facts, and I NEED to see evidence they are not related before I can give my full support on this.
The fact is, a lot of them aren't paying taxes. I do. If they were all paying taxes and receiving health benefits from their jobs, I'd say let them all in.
They also need to commit to a life here, none of this sending money back to home crap. I HATE when foreign people with no intention of staying trash the neighborhood, because hey, they aren't staying anyway! As politically incorrect as it sounds, I also cringe when people (yes, including the caucasian ones) who can't speak English are using food stamps in front of me when my starving friends don't even qualify for them, for whatever reason.
How can the United States keep giving to others when it can't take care of itself? I know that when I'm personally feeling run down, it's more diffcult to lend my friends a hand.
How exactly are we supposed to be able to control who gains entry into our country?
No one wants to answer that. They want it to resolve itself. Ridiculous
Fuck those Immigrants. You want to see what they did after the parade? they left tons of garbage and litter everywhere! No LEgal CITIZENSHIP FOR YOU!
So here is the point of view of a legal immigrant/recently naturalized citizen....
First off, I find the whole portrayal of the issue very disconcerting. The bills before Congress have nothing do with reforming the legal immigration process yet all the headlines read "thousands march for immigration reform" thus swaying the conversation. Let's be clear the issue before us is that of illegal immigration. We are dealing with people who entered the US illegally and by doing so broke our laws. The people marching are saying that's okay with me. Note to marchers--legal immigrants already have rights.
I'd also like to remind everyone that there is legal process by which one can enter this country, get a visa, greencard and eventual citizenship. People around the world wait years and often go through a long and and tedious process (did I mention, expensive) to legally come here. These people have respect for our laws and are willing to abide by them. What message does amnesty for illegals sending to these people? Run the border its easier!
And for those who oppose border security. If we don't take some action, whether it's building a wall or some other measure, we will never solve the problem and our children will be having this same discussion in twenty years. We should get to decide who gets to enters this country. I understand that people want to come here and make a better life for themselves but they shouldn't be allowed to force themselves on us. We should get to choose enters and a wall may be the only steo towards the end.
The bills in the Senate and House are Immigration Reform bills. Or, Changes in U.S. Immigration Policy.
The House already passed a bill in December with harsher penalties that included Employers who hires illegal immigrants and no guest worker program.
Rev pays... What reforms to the current legal immigration process are being proposed? As far I can tell the main issues relate to border security, stricter enforcement, and amnesty vs guest worker status for illegals.
The three tier system,
Here for more than five years you can stay and have a chance at becoming citizens
Over two, you get deported temporarily and go through some application to return as temporary workers
Less, than two years, you get deported and go through the visa/immigration process at their home country.
I do not think their were anything specific regarding enforcement/border patrol unless you count the Minutemen project. Who are also monitoring the Northern U.S. border. Their first training run was held recently in NH. They mostly catch weed and alcohol smugglers.
I'm sorry, was that what you meant as the Amnesty for workers? The terms being bantered around to fit each side can make drive one nuts.
Anyway, what is the current procedure on Illegal aliens? I always thought they didn't get "amnesty" and it's straight deportation when caught.
thay are protesting because they dont want to be put into a three-tiered system of who is illegal and who is not. the current bill says if you have been here 5 years or more, you can pay a fine and stay, any lesser than that and you have to go back to your country reapply. one reason these bills may not be as effective as we would like to think is that most immigrants won't even consider putting their names and addresses into this federal list of temporary workers because they fear it is just a ploy to deport them.
Rev pays...The three tier system you are talking about is being is proposed for illegal immigrants (those who entered without proper channels and are already living in the US) not people who want to come legally. There is a big difference between them and the fact that you equate the two is deeply disturbing. Also, all the bills before Congress have recommendations for border security, customs and border protection, and immigration and customs enforcement in varying degrees. If you are going to talk about specifics, please get your facts straight.
So, you tell me?
Is this a change in immigration policy, or not?
Are we talking about reform? Reform means change. Aren't Illegal aliens handled by the Immigration Dept. (homeland security)?
What do you mean by proper channels? There are many who enter properly and then are considered illegal after they overstay their Visas.
My family settled here in 1690. Can I have some health insurance now?
Yes, there's Medicaid.
And, there's a sliding scale fee at many Health clinics.
I wonder what effect this immigration reform battle will have on military recruitment, considering there are plenty non-American, illegal immigrants who can sign up for the US military - two of my friends who did so certainly convinced me of it. So will the soldiers be allowed to stay while the rest of the family is deported?
Either way, if US policy makers and those who created the Washington Consensus are really serious about globalization, they better come up with a immigration system that actually make sense, particularly in the context of factor-price equalization, since the idealization of a 'level playing field' is repeated over and over like religious chants.
i put up the photographs i took today from the rally on www.drunkatnyu.com
You know, I could sit here in all my smug smugness but I have to admit that the "how many" question is sitting with me. Obviously we can't have open borders, especially in a post-9/11 world. But neither is slamming the door a healthy answer, either, for the economy if nothing else. But where do you draw the line? And what of the people who are standing there when you yell out "that's it, we're full"? We need border security and a sane immigration policy. But it can be deceiving to think that it's as simple as that.
However, there is the other side of the issue which is: what do you do with the people already here? Are some swelling the welfare rolls? It's possible, though I have yet to see any evidence of it, and ever since Reagan's "welfare queens" who didn't exist I approach these stories with great skepticism. But what of the folks who are here, who have been here and who are trying to build lives here? They want to be part of the system. They have the same impulses our grandparents had. Some accomidation must be made for them.
I work with disabled children and know a bit about Medicaid, SSI, and different forms of welfare. You cannot get any enrolled in any of these programs without a social security number. You just can't. And the people at Medicaid in this city are very hesitant to enroll anyone in these programs and make it very difficult for most people, even citizens hard up. Spend an afternoon waiting at the HRA offices in Jamaica Queens and you'll see.
If an illegal immigrant wants to vote, wants their voices heard and become an American, they must first become one. How is it fair that an illegal immigrant has the right to dictate our American policy. I agree that our government was at fault for their loose "open door policy" but obviously that has to change. Illegal immigrants are taking our jobs, (saying that Americans don't want to do the dirty work is a very poor excuse. If not for them, wages would be higher and may decrease welfare). They aren't paying taxes and what are they doing with their unaccountable wages? (probably sending it back to their native country!)
I hope the illegal immigrates get to stick around. I need people to mow my lawn, trim the shrubs, plant new flowers, paint my fence, clean my house, wash my cars, wash my dishes and at the end of the day, enjoy a nice Modelo Especial with at the end of the day at the local taqueria.
I'll let any of these illegal workers into my house before I let any of those welfare hogging "citizens" steal from me. They don't complain, they work hard, they do a good job, for decent money. The ones I have "employed" have sent enough money back home to build houses for their extended families back in their homeland.
Ss, you may be correct, it's been over 10 years since I worked in the Hospital patient accounts dept.
They don't have "health insurance" per se.
They qualified for emergency Medicaid coverage when I was doing this work. We applied for it under their status as undocumented. If they were disapproved, the hospital worked with patients in sliding fees and time payments.
The Mediciad office was in the Hospital, no need to go to HRA.
Yes, the process is long but it can be done.
I dont think we are looking at the big picture here. It's not about Americans being sensitive to foreiner's plights and being P.C. Come on people, they are breaking our laws! They are criminals and they are flaunting that in our faces with these protests. If you want to be in our country, do it the legal way. Why arent we also looking at the double standard here. Take a look at Mexico's immigration laws.