Gothamist: NYU Junior's Death: Hate Crime or Not

Tia

Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:28:01 -0500

Have any black people been convicted of a "hate crime" in their many attacks upon white people? Uh, Wisconsin v. Mitchell (1993), the Supreme Court case that decided the constitutionality of hate crime laws, concerned the murder of a white person by black people.

King Kong

Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:56:32 -0500

suz, it's just sad to read how much you despise people of color. i'm surprised that "get whitey" can be equated with "get the n-gger" by people. true, the hate crime legislation distorts what should be a clear case. then again, what was the motivation of the hate crime legislation? wasn't it originally to provide stiffer sentences for assaults that had racial motives in the same way that rockefeller drug laws provide tougher penalties for certain classes of drugs?

suz

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:39:34 -0500

I got censored off the immigration rally page for saying things that were much less incendiary than what I have said elsewhere. Apparently Stalin's great grandson operates this blog. Fully expect this post to disappear too. Which is cool. time to stop wasting my time in idiotic blogsites.

samuel

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:24:02 -0500

White people have always enjoyed white privileges of which blacks can only dream. Therefore, only whites can be racist.

X-new yorker

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:06:14 -0500

As an african american, I agree w/ Bob in that the parents of the perpetrators if not hanged should at least be punished or humiliated in some way for raising such trash. I disagree w/ Marilyn in that had a black person given a buck to a homeless person, he would have been left alone. Believe me, they probably would have gone after him too, particularly if he demonstrated that he had some cash on him. Unfortunately, life is cheap in poor black neighborhoods and criminals have no issues w/ robbing other poor black people--remember the 80's when black youth were getting robbed and in some cases shot for possessions like fila and nike sneakers, gold chains and box radios. Same as it ever was--now it's Ipods. Don't mean to sound like a self-hater, I'm just a little jaded.

blah

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:03:53 -0500

Gentrification's a bitch. also: Selective Journalism or Not?

Alliterator

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:49:31 -0500

This is no different then the hate crimes done to the gays,blacks, hispanics ect. This though will never be label as racist on the evening news, because it was on a white guy. Because it seems like people don't know that Blacks, Asians and Hispanics can't be racist too!

chuck D

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:24:55 -0500

Hate crime? Yes. If a gang of 5 white kids ran down the street yelling "Get the nigger" Sharpton would be screaming hate crime and racism. But because these alledged "outstanding citizens", as their peers have called them on TV and in the papers, are black, it's not yet a "hate crime". They should be charged as adults and sent to, not a juvenile detention center, but to prison. They're useless slugs, with no benefit to this society.

Bob

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:50:27 -0500

Perry’s 100% Correct. In the end, these kids will get Manslaughter and possibly get charged as adults. And thats that. And yes Tom. Those liberals are always up to no good. With their forward thinking and moral ethics. We should get together someday and beat our wives, tag team style

this is bull!!

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:43:15 -0500

I agree with jmchez, any crime is a crime, no matter what the motivation is. Would this have even been in the news if it was a bunch of black kids chasing another black into the street and killing him? All the while yelling "get that n****!!"? Most likely not, nor would it have been remotely consider a hate crime.

this is bull!!

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:21 -0500

I agree with jmchez, any crime is a crime, not matter what the motivation is. Would this have even been in the news if it was a bunch of black kids chasing another black into the street and killing him? All the while yelling "get that n****!!"? Most likely not, nor would it have been remotely consider a hate crime.

jmchez

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:06:47 -0500

Tom

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:58:52 -0500

Let's consider two scenarios: 1: Black gang members are stealing a car in a white neighborhood and white men beat them -> hate crime, Jesse Jackson and other far left activist are on the march. 2: White college student gives money to a homeless person in a black neighborhood and gets killed by black gang members - > not a hate crime, Jesse Jackson and far left activists nowhere near to be found. You see a pattern here? You liberals must be proud of yourselves. Maybe Yale or Harvard should accept these gang members as special students, just like the Taliban member (who is now a special student at Yale).

jmchez

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:54:38 -0500

As expected "Hate Crimes" have just muddled what should have been an easy case (assuming you have credible witnesses). Worse yet, anytime a law is not enforced properly or evenly it breeds disrespect for the system from both criminals and the law-abiding public. When you beat or kill somebody, whether you do it for his money, for sadistic pleasure, or because he took your girl, it doesn't matter. You show hatred for that person. All these stupid laws do, is tell criminals not to use racial epithets when commiting their crimes. P.S. Why is Morgenthau so eager to die in office rather than retire? Even US Supreme Court Justices retire. Why do Manhattanites keep electing him?

Perry

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:47:54 -0500

This whole hate crimes debate is ridiculous. Was it racially motivated? Probably at least a little bit. Does that change any part of this case? No. 5 kids chased another kid out into the street to rob him and he ended up dying after being hit by a car. If that sequence of events is to be captured under "Second Degree Murder" than so be it. It doesn't bring him back, 'hate crimes' legislation won't cure any social ill will or racism. If you do something illegal and its captured under our already tediously large set of criminal law, than isn't that good enough? Crime with hatred towards race is no different than crimes with hatred towards gender, appearance, social status, whatever..

Tom

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:46:00 -0500

Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton condemning this hate crime? This just proofs how racist they are.

nyc

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:30:14 -0500

Joe - he was meeting friends. 125th st is not an unreasonable place to be.

nola

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:08:38 -0500

Thank you, Morgenthau for showing why conservatives always opposed the idiotic notion of "hate crimes". There was never any intention to apply these unnecessary rules evenly, they are just another way to pander to the usual special interest crybabies on the Left.

joe

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:05:34 -0500

why was this kid walking the streets up there at that time to begin with? basically a sheep thrown into the lions den

suz

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:01:42 -0500

Those thugs racialized it by saying "get whitey." They had every intention of terrorizing an easy prey, and we all know they hate whites. There is a lot of intentional black on white crime due to anti-white hostility in the black community. Is there anything more to say?

Marilyn

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:57:59 -0500

They totally targetted him because he was white. If it was a young black man who walked by and gave the homeless man a dollar, they probably wouldn't have said anything in the first place.

rev pays

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:52:34 -0500

I may be wrong but Yes, there has been blacks convicted of a "hate crime". Maybe someone with access to nexus/lexus could help. Anyway, expect more incidents as schools gets out and the weather gets warmer. It's just the way it is.

Papercutninja

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:51:41 -0500

Oh wait...it's not a hate crime, black people aren't capable of racism. Or at least that's the message that will come across if these kids aren't prosecuted under the hate crime law. Why don't we maintain some sort of consistency? How come "whitey" isn't a racist term? It is. If using "nigger" during a crime is considered a racist remark (and i agree), then so should "whitey".

Eryximachus

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:39:05 -0500

Have any black people been convicted of a "hate crime" in their many attacks upon white people? The answer, of course, is no. This statement alone makes people uncomfortable, even though it is true (there may be a few exceptions of which I am unaware). And you think you are free?

Bob

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:31:06 -0500

Hang the Parents, have the kids watch and then hang the kids.

jen

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:08:31 -0500

hang these kids

pugsley

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:50:17 -0500

Someone tell anti-free speech activist Norm Siegel that he didn't win the Public Advocate election.

Kojak

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:38:38 -0500

But really.. Does it matter? Jail them all the same. All crimes are hate crimes

Kojak

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:23:48 -0500

Difficult to say. Were they chasing him because he was white? Or because they wanted to rob him and just happened to yell out 'Get Whitey!!' Tough one...