to orthomom. The Crown Heights Riots of 1991. You say that it's offensive to even include as an example of Hasidic Jewish violence? well you show great bias and ignorance and racism, in your comments. You obviously did not see the same video footage that I did (and still have on tape, recorded on VCR, in the early 1990's) where it's clearly seen Hasidic Jews scuffling and being thrown around, and fighting with police, and throwing things too, and getting arrested. It went even beyond them "attempting to defend themselves". What the hell were you even watching back at the time? Because there quite a number of news clips showing Hasidic Jews fighting and rassling with cops. And getting arrested by angry police. Yes, in THAT very Crown Heights incident !!! Throwing things and umbrellas and scuffling around. So to say that Crown Heights was only about a Hasiid Jew getting stabbed to death, and blacks rioting, shows great stupidity and annoying ignorance of all the facts of that situation. I HAVE THE VIDEO FOOTAGE IN MY POSSESSION, IN CASE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, OR IF YOU DOUBT WHAT I'M SAYING, OR CHOOSE TO BE RUDELY DISMISSIVE OF IT. What do you think Crown Heights was about in 1991? What did you see in the news? Just selective clips of blacks throwing rocks and bottles, because of being angry that Lubavitcher Jews ran a red light, and ran over and killed a 5 year old kid, and just kept on boogying away, and not caring? Selective amnesia you have I see. Or just not hearing all the facts on Hasidim ALSO behaved apallingly in Crown Heights, in 1991. Being violent with both blacks and police, and getting arrested too. So I just "clarified" for you. So yes, the 1991 Crown Heights riots CAN rightly be used as another example (video footage does not really lie) of Hasidic madness and violence and nastiness. Jackie Mason was another schmuck who didn't seem to be aware of the Hasidic violence in that Crown Heights affair. Was I like the only person who saw (and even recorded) that video news footage? of Jews fighting cops and getting arrested in that whole stupid mess? And don't minimize the insanity of that wig-burning thing either. Stop watering down the truth and stop ignoring the rude hard facts about these people. Jen Chung was correct in citing 1991 Crown Heights as an example of Hasidic friction and violence, over the years. (and to "Amazed", about his comment "who knew Hasids were so feisty?" well I knew. I know that Jews in general can be quite nasty. Hasidim in particular, cuz of being so cultic and fanatical. Not all of course. Some are cool and easy going. But many are just plain mean and arrogant. Just the facts. Peace.

Marc, wtf? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Your whole point about "potential violence" is ridiculous and since they were rioting, totally irrelevent.

Marc... they trapped an officer in their car and smashed it to shit.

The driver, who was breaking the law, refused to hand over his registration.

What other laws would you like to have seen broken?

I would imagine that officer totally thought he/she could get beaten. Just like they did in '78.

oy. mamish ah shanda.

In response to the claim that riot police would have been there, white-knuckle gripping the threat of busting heads, had it been an ethnic Hispanic/Black nieghborhod:

Is it possible that the potential for violence against police is much greater in those areas and thus warrants a decisive response? That potential among a community with a higher crime rate would seem, logically, to be higher. Thus a group of officers confronted by an angry crowd in such an area would be correct in rallying the defense that riot police can provide. But in a nieghborhood that the police recognize as lawabiding, the threat from those citizens would be much lower. Honestly, can you really see the community in question beating an officer, even if they could? And bad driving doesn't make the niegborhood threatening, anecdotal evidence aside.

Nice to you @ B&H? That's cause they are about to rip you off!

dug,

i've been to B&H multiple times and these guys are very helpful even when you're NOT buying from them. but then, it would be expected from one of the best photo and video shops in the country.

^dug,

Well said on BOTH posts

cheath, if you honestly can't find courteous hasids, go to b&h photo. they're very helpful when you're buying from them.

there's nothing wrong with an insular community or living by 18th century standards. it's probably a more fulfilling lifestyle in many ways. there's nothing unique in thinking you're better than everyone else... fits right in with capitalism, right? the problem is when they start to believe they live outside the law.

These fanatics are a blight. They're complete scammers and welfare cheats. They should be sent back to Occupied Palestine where they belong.

Whew, that's a mighty wide brush -- mind if I borrow it to paint my barn?

Ohh Yentl, You put the 'She' in Yeshiva

"What exactly is the proper term for a group of Jews then? A gaggle? A pack?"

'Heebs' is another good one

bklynd said:
At the time, the controversy was that she wrote "mob of Jews," not that a bunch of people had tried to bully her out of writing a ticket.

Sheesh, I know some people are militant about grammar but that's extreme! What exactly is the proper term for a group of Jews then? A gaggle? A pack?

Jayson

LDLM: I love it. Next time CM gets hassled, maybe they should start a bonfire in Union Square, burning some Giro and Bell helemt boxes and some old, worn-out Pearl Izumis. See how far they get.

i live in the area where boro park/midwood/bensonhurst all start to merge together and experience hasidic driving every day. they certainly are the worst drivers out there and don't show any respect for other drivers or the laws of the road.

rude. they're just fucking rude people. AND their sense of entitlement is through the roof. who do they think they are? i haven't encountered one hasid who has shown any regard for anyone who isn't hasidic--on the road, on the street, on the subway.

i agree with what's been said about the driver...if he's hard of hearing, what the fuck is he doing on the phone?

my sense of what happened is that he got belligerent with the cops and they got fed up. good for them for fighting back.

so fuck 'em. way to go, NYPD!

I lived in Borough Park for a while, and maaan, theys don't like the outsiders. I'd stand on the corner to cross the street and the mothers would clutch their broods and stare ... kids would yell out "goyam!" and "schiksa!" (to whatever female company).

The day I moved out was like a huge community celebration - all the neighbors poured out onto the streets, surrounding some guy on a lawnchair in a huge fur hat (a community leader?) while they watched and smiled as I lugged a disgusting couch across the street. Songs could be heard all over the place. They really didn't like me.

oy, these replies are all starting to give me such heebie jeebies!

As a Brooklyn born Jew whose parents survived the Holocaust, I can honestly say I have 100% no idea wherethe Hasidim get off saying "Nazi Germany!" to a situation like this. They're idiots.

The guy was stopped for talking on a cellphone while driving. He broke the law. Deal with it. Just because he owns a "well known" bakery in the neighborhood doesn't mean he's above the law.

It seems like a massive overreaction at best and idiocy at worst. And an embarrassment no matter how you cut it. The Hasidim have always been a pain in the ass to the normal/not-stuck-in-the-18th-century Jews in NYC from day one. They refuse to be anything but insular. Act with disdain towards anyone who is not a Jew. Act even worse towards Jews who are not as "religious" as they are. And they generally are never pleasant to deal with.

And regarding that idiotic "Nazi Germany!" chant that came out, believe you me if there is real anti-Semitism I'd probably be right there on the front lines fiighting it. But for someone--let alone a Hasid--to invoke the spectre of "Nazi" oppression at a ticketting incident.... That's beyond belief. It's petty and pathetic. And belittles the tragedy of the Holocaust in ways that words cannot express.

With secular Jewish NYC slowly dying, and the Hasidim still growing like crazy I'm just sick and tired of their backwards/warped views of the world being presented as the public face of Jewish NYC.

What a bunch of idiots. And I do agree with the assessment that if the crowd were not white (ie: Black, Hispanic, etc...) this would have been handled differently. It's interesting and baffling to understand how NYC behaves at times.

please tell us what is skewed here, mike?

Now, now, let's not go to far.

Personally, Hasidm, ha say hello.