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New York may still be enjoying a 30-year low in crime but that doesn't mean that Mayor Bloomie 'n Commish Kelly see any reason to "rest on their laurels". Oh no, not when their are still less of New York's Finest now (~36,400) than there were in 2001 (40,710) and new counter-terrorism and other police efforts to man in a city that is expected to grow by another 200,000 people in the next five years (the "equivalent of adding the entire city of Pittsburgh to the five boroughs," according to the Bloom). To help deal, the city is putting up an additional $33.8 million to grow the NYPD payroll by 800 rookie police officers and 400 civilians desk workers.
Of course, filling these jobs isn't going to be easy. The base salery for rookies is $25,100 (it rises to $32,700 after six months and $59,588 after five and a half years). In wages the New York Police Department ranks 157th, behind cities including Newark, Waco, Atlanta, Yonkers, Los Angeles, St. Louis, and Detroit according to policepay.net. Some union officials say that the salary is so low that "several new recruits have been forced to rely on food stamps."
So yeah, the NYPD is going to have it's work cut out for it filling those jobs with good recruits waving around that kind of cash, but we wish them luck trying.
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"when their are still less of New York's Finest now"
C'mon!
Maybe if they didn't have cops spend so much time on bs details like harassing bikers or people playing games (idiotarod) or pretending to check bags in the subways (they always look half-asleep on that detail), they could cover the city without having to spend more money hiring cops. I take it that's $33M a year they're talking about. I thought the schools needed more money, at least that's what Bloomie keeps telling Pataki.
A couple of facts:
The police union agreed to a cut in pay for new hires in 2005, which will hurt recruiting, to help pay for a massive pension increase the state legislature gave them in 2000, which drove the per officer cost of city pension contributions to $46,000 per year, and rising. They had pulled that "screw the newbie and flee to Florida" trick several times before. Eventually, all our police spending will go to the pension, and none to police protection.
Second, according to the 2002 Census of Governments from the U.S. Census Bureau, New York has 605 police officers per 100,000 residents. The national average was 210. We have THREE TIMES as many police officers, relative to population, as the national average. That isn't even counting the secord (or third) police force we support in retirement.
Not even including payments to the retired, New Yorkers paid an average of $12.44 for every $1,000 of their income in taxes for police protection in 2002. The national average was $6.19, half as much.
maybe the union can put up those 'guilt the public' subway ads with the copy lying in blood by the patrol car again.
The starting salary is ridiculous and both the PBA and the City should be ashamed of themselves. A cadet in LA starts at $50k+, depending on education, language skills, etc. A starting cop in DC makes $40k. In Toledo-Fing-Ohio, the starting salary is over $40k, with far less chance of being shot!
I hope this recruiting drive is a failure. It will serve the City right for paying salaries that sometimes require officers to apply for food stamps.
While I agree the pay is ridiculous, and would cite better examples than Toldeo (like Clarkstown in Rockland Cty where most cops live anyway 45k+). But it turns out cops in NYC have very little chance of being shot. Cops in car-per-cop districts have a far greater chance of being shot. The strength in numbers on the NYPD really protects officers quite a bit. Relatively speaking, violence against NYPD is pretty low. As far as bitching about how many cops there are and how much we are spending on them, I hardly think one can bitch about this, as you may remember the years of crime ridden NYC. At least it's money well spent, and there is an actual decrease in crime (unlike the schools where performance really hasn't risen despite money constantly being thrown at the problem).
The symbol for approximately is actually two wavy lines stacked, not one. Look it up.
$59K and a pension- what the hell are they complaining about. That is a damn fine deal.
(At least it's money well spent, and there is an actual decrease in crime (unlike the schools where performance really hasn't risen despite money constantly being thrown at the problem).
As mentioned, spending as a share of income on police in NYC is double the national average, staffing is triple. On the other hand, spending on eduation as a share of income has been below the national average every year back to at least the 1970s, as has staffing relative to population.
If bloomberg is the mayor he says he is, he better tackle the police pension issue in the next contract talks.
20 years and a pension is a sweet deal no matter how you cut it.
Put some of the budget money back into schools, mr. mayor.
I wholeheartedly agree with the increase in the number of cops for NYC, if just to offset the growing number of hipsters/morons that participate in Critical Mass, Idiotarod, and No Pants, especially those that blatantly challenge the cops. Let the underpaid rookies take out their frustrations on these hipsters, Guiliani style!
You're confusing hipster with hippie. Hipsters don't ride bikes because the wind will mess up their hair.
"If bloomberg is the mayor he says he is, he better tackle the police pension issue in the next contract talks."
Bloomberg doesnt have the balls to take on the Police Unions over that.
That's what I don't understand.
All the cops I've met don't live within the five boroughs. Unless they live with their parents and even then they're looking for a place in Rockland cty ASAP.
What's the PBA's leverage in these talks?
Whether they are trust funded Billyburg hipsters/ hippie wannabes or genuine dirty smelly hippies from the 60's, they better watch their backs if they try anything stupid with these hungry, pissed off cops!
They just need a bigger union that can get them a better deal. Think they can join the TWU? Better starting salaries there, and people usually aren't shooting at you.
Max, it's $59k after 5 years of being employed as a police officer -- you ramp up to that over time. You start around $32k after your first year.
There are some odds and ends that will result in a bit more money (working nights instead of days, overtime), but you still wind up with a NYPD cop topping out after 5 years with what a suburban cop gets during their first year.
20 years and half your pension is an ok deal, given the amount of danger and hassles that the city (citizens and the department itself) asks of its police. Mess with the pension and even with more cash up front, you won't find any takers for the job.
You guys realize that -
Most of the suburban cops-including Rockland make nearly or over $100k a year in the greater NY area.
Most of the city cops DO live in the 5 boroughs-they can't afford the burbs-unless they opt for a 2 hour commute-like from Orange county or Mastic.
The City hasn't been able to fill an academy class in a few years, millions of dollars are wasted recruiting and testing thousands who never take the job, because the pay sucks.
Getting promoted to Sergent guarantees a cop will take a pay cut for about 4 years now-thus many are avoiding the promotion.
A quarter of the cops hired now leave for better jobs in the first 5 years-thus making the millions spent to train them a huge waste.
Face it-the job sucks-these guys need a raise.
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