Gothamist: With Marbury On Bench, Knicks Win

tasan

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:58:08 -0500

you guys should have read what i'd written for the previous knicks entry... but anyways...a number of things to address 1. marbury was purposely taken out of the end of the fourth quarter and kept on the bench for the remainder of the 2 OT's. it could have been the perfect ploy to respond to marbury's criticism of brown being "insecure". brown wouldnt be beaming now..."i'm insecure, yeah, i benched you for the rest of the game and i won without you". but then again you can look at his game stats and notice that he was pretty crummy for 3 quarters and then some. this game was crucial...if the knicks keeps this up, all signs would point towards marbury being dealt...for someone maybe like ummm KG??? 2. you guys are atypical of NY-ers. It takes time to develop into a good team. just look at the clippers and how they've progressed since the badmouthing days of the Laker's crosstown garbage. Its actually quite good how the knicks are progressing. they really have to gel. if you look at it this way...if the knicks were new jersey, they wouldn't be looked upon so poorly. think out of the box...the knicks' current...they've just traded for a lot this past season and they're expected to just win? you can't do that especially when theres no foundation. 3. i totally agree with JESUS CHRIST...seriously they needed 2 OT's to beat the hawks with an subpar joe johnson (spained ankle)?? They're a marquee team...of course they should have won...lets just hope they dont embarass themselves even more by breaking the franchise low for wins in a season... 4. it takes time to develop! especially farmhands...and basketball has no official farm system (CBA) thanks to yours truly Isiah Thomas...the knicks dont have a bench of no names...in fact their bench is probably one of the most recognizable of the league...francis, rose, rose, crawford, robinson, robinson (dunk champ), frye, lee..aside from woods and butler and probably james this season...those are the only no names...they have a solid bench...they just dont gel. 4. its all about bringing it to the table. you guys should know this...who cares if they donate or not...thats not what we're focusing on...sure its a plus for them to be good guys...would you be upset if you had barry bonds...(who is a real asshole personality-wise) producing those numbers for the yanks/mets??? 5. refer to previous post i had on knicks...brown flaming his players is a technique. the knicks are flat...they need energy and have to set the table and the tone. everyone is really relying on each other. its true they do look confused and stuff but guess what its all part of brown's plan. On a recent episode of PTI (i think yesterday's) they were talking about how brown has a tendency to flame his players and all the stuff he does to marbury...but still he gets the job down and thats what matters. 5. marbury is a solid pg...but its true that he doesn't fit the mold for brown's system. marbury is a shoot first guard...hence he is better suited for a SG rather than a PG, although Brown's previous projects (iverson, billups) are of the same breed. iverson was in fact set to play SG for the most part under brown's tutelage. but they all got better and thats what matters. you can blame the media for overreacting a lot

Peter

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:01:22 -0500

Also, Larry Brown was an all-star in the ABA and a starter at North Carolina where he played point guard. I think it is fair to level a lot of criticism at Brown. He has been far to quick to go to the media and rip his players and he should shoulder the blame for a lot of this mess. The biggest problem I see with Brown is that his best coaching has been done with more experienced players and the Knicks who fit that description are npt going to be here when this turns around. Marbury has done some wonderful things like his donation to Katrina victims, but the bottom line is he doesn't do what the great point guards do- make his teammates better. He really should be a shooting guard, as should Francis and Crawford and Robinson. Hard to understand how a GM who was one of the greatest point guards ever put together a team without a true point guard, but Isiah's problems run a lot deeper than that.

Soloman Grundy

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:13:29 -0500

And Cliff Jmes, your alluding to racism is disgusting and you should be deeply ashamed of your own closeted bigotry. Larry Wilkins best years are far far behid him and has proven incapable of managing another marquee player with some talent, but no heart or ambition nor a sense of team, Vince Carter. Herb Williams, while a "nice guy" is/was a rookie headcoach, amd simply not up to the job, nevermind the absurd suggestion that he be placed in the same strata of couching as Wilkins or Brown. Brown, on the other hand has made a token industry of coaching/managing selfish uncooperative players and oozing talent from teams not regarded as capable of such before he had arrived. Moreover, Broiwn should be regards for what he is a good coach. And, Marbury for what he is , a selfish player who wil always put himself before his team. To reduce the issue here to a matter of race is beyond the pale of human decency.

Sick Nylvester

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:01:07 -0500

Indeed Beetlebaum. And someone needs to get Cliffjames some therapy for his bizarrely offbase , pathologocal hatred of a coach, the rest of the NBA and sports journalists consider a great couch. Marbury clearly is a selfish player with marginal PG skills. When you're forced to "manage" man-children with no concept of sportmanship or teamwork, you do what you can. Iverson may have been a jerk at times, but unlike Marbury he had the heart to match.

beetleubum

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:41:33 -0500

larry brown is not the problem. everywhere he has gone he turned teams into to winners the clippers, pacers, 76ers, and pistons are all proof of that. everywhere marbury has gone he has self destructed and taken the down the team with him. everyone should know how this story plays out. look at what he did to the nets he ruined keith van horns career and he destroyed a team. which before marbury was quite competitive with sam cassell at pg. what is going to happen in the next few years when frye, robinson, and lee continue to devlop and marbury recieves less and less playing time. he is going to become even more of a cancer. dolan should bite the bullet and release him. he is never going to buy into a system that actually wins playoff series. he is more concerned about being "starbury".

JESUS CHRIST

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:18 -0500

damn they needed double overtime to win against the lowly hawks! what a tremendous feat for them. and Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury deserve each other. All this Desperate Housewives drama is pretty amusing and has been much more entertaining than the past 3 seasons. We need more Isiah sexually harrassing women and more Starbury "I am the best point guard in the universe as well as alternate Universes" speeches and now larry brown has taken the cake. MORE PLEASE!

cliffjames

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:13:59 -0500

The Gothamist is now just parroting the tabloids; since Orbach died, you can't even give us a good Law & Order update. Don't even get started on the Knicks. Larry Brown should be suspended for conduct unbefitting a senior executive of the Knicks organization. Here is a guy with over 30 years experience who is hired TO MANAGE. Brown's first concern is not getting a win, but maintaining his reputation, collecting his paycheck and belittling his players. This is his true history. Read about in Philly, Detroit, etc. And congratulations for sticking up for the "65 year old" white guy, who should know better. If my grandfather or father handled themselves like Larry Brown, I'd sit him down and tell him he was embarrassing the family, then get him tested for senility. Marbury's hired to play basketball, remember. Marbury's job is not to talk to the media (thank God). Larry Brown has gotten a free pass all year. You want to write something sensational? Write how Larry Brown can't take a team full of former all-stars and first round picks, and get them to play and win against the Bobcats. Wow! They beat the Hawks (what's their record)? Write about how Brown can't motivate veterans and rookies alike; how Channing Frye was doing great, and now has fallen off the radar; how Matt Barnes can be a starter for the first game, then cut; how he has Steve Francis and Marbury on the bench against the Hawks. The list goes on and on. Brown has been an unmitigated disaster. At some point, you have to stop blaming the one guy on the team who's an easy target, and place the blame on the guy who golden-parachuted his way back to New York after abandoning yet another team, and who caused strife where there was none. Remember, there were no problems with Marbury with Herb Williams at the helm...or Lenny Wilkens (also in the hall of fame, as a coach). Then it was alright to blame the coach. (Hmmm, what's the difference between Brown and Wilkens? And Brown and Williams? And the similarity between Wilkens and Williams, besides the fact that they actually played in the league?) Larry Brown is a joke, as was your regurgitation of an article. I don't expect more of The Gothamist, but you are supposed to be at least thoughtful. Take some pride in your work, and pay attention to what you are writing. This is not a schoolyard. Don't pile-on Marbury just because it's the easy thing to do.