Igor, those statistics are horseshit, they come from the New Century Foundation, a racist far right think tank that, among other things, revisionism regarding the Nazi Holocaust and support for white supremacy organizations.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/amren.asp?xpicked=5&item=amren

Tim said:

"..you made a claim with no evidence to back it up besides anecdotal evidence. Come back to me when you've got real statistical evidence and then we'll talk."

Here you go :

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

http://www.nc-f.org/index.htm

And PS...I am just waiting for Littlejohn's attorney to throw the race card into this.

Who wants to make a bet?

Blacks get burnt up over racism and non-blacks (meaning everyone else) get burnt up over the opportunistic use of the race card when it comes to criminals. Both sides have a justified gripe.

I was on a jury for homicide in Manhattan back in the late 80s. So I definitely know what it's like. All juries are different.

The one I was on there was this tearful, liberal jurist who was suffering agony at the thought she might sent the wrong guy to jail--even though it was obvious he was guilty for shooting someone down in a bar. The rest of us jumped on her neck. We forced her to think logically instead of emotionally, and she caved. Thank God!

Re #27... I'm Tim N., not the other guy...

All you need is one.

You'll be surprised because it's usually more than one.

And what are you exactly saying?

When was the last time you served on a jury?

I was on a Grand jury last summer, that's doing 2 full weeks, five days a week, from nine to five, sometimes longer if they had a rush case to get in before the deadline.

That's all I'm saying.

Why is there any merit given to this idea that the blanket had someone else's semen stains on it? It's an old blanket for crissakes, god know's where it's been. The point is, it has Littlejohn's house fibers all over it.

His blood and fibers from his house were all over Imette. And his DNA appears to match another rape victim. Uh....let me deduce: Maybe his butler did it!

The only way this loser will walk is if the jury has a political agenda. That's all I'm saying'.

But it won't fly. New York is not LA! New Yorkers are not wimps.

Such anger!

Now I'm done.

Sorry folks for this sad spectacle.

Sorry, one last thing...

I have to wonder why you find it so important to reduce the rate of black men/white women rape. Personally, I'd like to see a reduction in all rape cases, regardless of the races of the people involved.

Now I'm done.

Oh gosh, where to begin?

Let's start with your first comment in this thread, where you imply that life in prison is easy. First off, if that wasn't your implication, please forgive me. The "prisoners have it good" line is an old canard, and there are plenty of people who make it their lives' work to refute that claim. One of the most notable groups is one, that in a moment of serendipitious irony, you quoted in one of your last posts: Human Rights Watch. I invite you to read further on that site, then come back and still try to claim that the prison where Littlejohn will end up will be a treat.

I'm also disturbed by your later assertion that since Littlejohn is likely to do the sodomizing, then he indeed is living a good life. I don't know how you get your kicks, but a lifetime of raping men does not sound like my idea of a fun time.

As for "The Statistic That Can not be Discussed in Polite Society" (don't even get me started on the self-importance it must take to capitalize your own blowhard phrase), you made a claim with no evidence to back it up besides anecdotal evidence. Come back to me when you've got real statistical evidence and then we'll talk. I did enjoy your "My anecdotal evidence? What about your lack of facts?!?" rebuttal, though. It had a certain "I know you are, but what am I?" elegance to it. I look forward to your future claims that you are rubber and I'm glue.

I hope this comment had enough sentences in it to impress you with my maturity, culture, the extent of my travels, and my education. I'm done feeding the trolls, I swears it!

P.S. I don't think I once resorted to "name-calling" in any of my posts. I did say that small-minded people are the victims of their own biases, but I left it up to you to decide whether you include yourself in that group.

Tim, do you have anything to offer but snide remarks without substance?

Your one-track, one sentence (but for one)comments and name calling make you sound inmature and uncultured, regardless of your age, foreign travel or whatever education you may have acquired. Why do you only respond to my postings? Were you ever in jail, had a loved one in jail, been raped yourself? Did a bully or a domineering father call you hard-headed as a kid? What's your trauma?

P.S.

If you only cared to think, you would realize that Littlejohn is likely to be the one doing the sodomizing (reread my first post).

Yet again jmchez shows that prison does sound like a lot of fun!

(I know, stop feeding the trolls.)

Anon, that topic is indeed "The Statistic That Can not be Discussed in Polite Society". Aside from the racist sites you found I don't think that there'll be anything else but "anecdotal evidence". Un-PC research like that can end careers, be they criminologists, psychologists or social workers.

Interestingly, racial patterns in male rapes has been studied. Humans Rights Watch points out that:

"Past studies have documented the

prevalence of black on white sexual

aggression in prison.(213) These

findings are further confirmed by

Human Rights Watch's own research.

Overall, our correspondence and

interviews with white, black, and

Hispanic inmates convince us that

white inmates are disproportionately

targeted for abuse.(214) Although many

whites reported being raped by white

inmates, black on white abuse appears

to be more common. To a much lesser

extent, non-Hispanic whites also

reported being victimized by Hispanic

inmates."

"Rape radicalizes white prisoners. It

drives them to join racist gangs for

self-defense and revenge."

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html

Umm, I was interested in looking for that elephant in the room so I did a little googling. So after coming up with a few sites that definately screamed "racist white free mongering" I finally found a Aurtrailian Sentinal article- OK, scratch that- it is about a called Race War or something (no idea if it is racist- just sounds it)- More searching to be done.

And the Justice Dept site and findings are just too damn dense (and seem loath to give data broken out by race).

I think SD was referring to you, Tim.

Agreed, S.D.

Don't feed the Trolls...

Tim:

Way to counter anecdotal evidence with facts. I am now truly overwhelmed with your data.

/sarcasm tag off.

Actually you really missed an opportunity there to enlighten me about you knowledge/opinion of life behind bars and any knowledge of criminal/racial statistics. Instead, as of now, I remained unconvinced of any arguments against my anecdotal evidence. However, I do have learned to disregard any future comments coming from you, as I 'm sure you'll do the same to mine. Sometimes people on these threads provide new ideas but, obviously, this one was not the one to discuss statistical criminal/racial distribution, their reasons and possible ways to ameliorate them.

I hereby return you to your own sense of superiority.

Forgive the momentary thread derail, but I can't believe anyone could seriously make such arguments as "criminals prefer prison over death, therefore prison is a real treat" or "I don't remember seeing any news stories about white men raping black women, thus it rarely happens" and then have the gall to call someone else hard-headed.

I guess it's to be expected of someone whose view of the world is informed solely by television and talk radio. Spending any amount of time speaking to prisoners might change your mind about the sheer joy of life in prison. Looking over crime statistics might give you a better idea of what crime actually occurs.

I have the feeling you've done neither. The closest you've probably ever come to a prison is watching an episode of Prison Break and by your own admission, your analysis of race and crime comes from the anecodotal evidence you've gathered by "watching the newscast and reading the papers."

It's the hallmark of the small-minded to believe their own biased guesses are not only the absolute truth, but also a truth worth ridiculing other people for not buying into.

I now return you to your impromptu lynch mob...

Regarding the post by 'Serious Question':

There were several news reports last week stating that, except for DL, all the men who were working at The Falls on the night/morning that Imette was there gave a DNA sample. I assume this included Danny Dorrian.

Regarding Jack's post and the suggestion that people's rush to "lynch" DL is racially motivated: I think that's an irresponsible conclusion. The same people were (are) just as eager to see Scott Peterson get his just punishment. Because Peterson's case also involved killing his own unborn child, people may have been a little less quick to be 'sure' in their own minds that he was guilty, so perhaps they weren't quite as quick in being sure as they are with DL, but I think that has less to do with the racial factor and more to do with the nature of the crime.

Lastly, Jack, I think the "rush for blood" is in fact a rush for justice, given that many believe that this crime is worthy of capital punishment (even if perhaps not legally possible - of this I'm not sure). I've not heard or seen anyone here post anything, even jokingly, to suggest that there should not be a trial, so even though they may be convinced themselves that the fellow is guilty, based on the facts that are available to them at this point, are are confident, arguably over-confident, that more facts will further bolster their opinion that he's guilty, no one is suggesting that a trial is a waste of time or unncessary. But they do want one swiftly. Fortunately, LE seems to be aware that rushing at this point is counterproductive, and they are trying to have a more thorough investigation before pressing charges because the worst possible scenario is that DL is, in fact, the perpetrator of this crime, and yet is found not-guilty because of too little evidence.