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Police Commissioner Ray Kelly decided to put a rest to many leaks and give the news himself: Blood found on ties that were in binding the hands of murdered graduate student Imette St. Guillen matches the DNA of Falls bouncer Darryl Littlejohn. The Brooklyn DA's office is going for a grand jury indictment this week, and Littlejohn has been in police custody for almost a week for parole violation, which is why the NYPD hasn't pressed charges against him yet - he's "not going anywhere." St. Guillen's family, though, isn't commenting until Littlejohn is formally charged.
Some police investigators are still being wary, given that most of the evidence is circumstantial; one told the NY Times that while the DNA evidence is there, "It doesn't say he killed her. He came in contact with her body." The police are still looking into the possibility Littlejohn was involved in other sex crimes in Queens and Nassau County, though one victim was unable to ID him in a police lineup last week. His neighbors in Jamaica, Queens, are still shocked over these allegations, as Littlejohn seemed very quiet, though he did suggest another neigbhor become a bouncer, too. And Littlejohn's lawyer defending in one of the other sex crimes also says that he did not learn about the DNA evidence until yesterday's press conference; as he's officially a prime suspect, we imagine Littlejohn will be getting a lawyer in the St. Guillen case.
While the Daily News is touting how it's "on the case" in its print editions, the NY Times goes a little broader with a City section article about other crimes that riveted the city (yes, they are mostly white victims) and today's Joyce Purnick column about the lack of attention for the Classon Avenue double murder of two Chinese immigrants (Times Select only).
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let the teeth nashing and charges or racism begin.....
Extra Extra! Black Man Rapes and Kills White Girl for the Millionth Time! Seriously what is up with Black dudes. This is not a joke and is totally true, I seriously overheard a UPS guy and a Doorman who were both black talk when a white girl passed between them and the Doorman goes "Damn! White girls are finer than Black girls! I'm gonna fuck me one of those one of these days" and then the other goes "Holla!" I almost bust a nut laughing so hard.
that NY times article was really well written. probably the best piece of newswriting i've seen in the last 2 years. That's how you write Newsprint gothamist.
I suspect (and hope) that Gothamist will enforce its Comment Policy in what will most likely be a hate-filled thread.
I don't have Times Select, can anyone be kind enough to summarize what the article is about? Thanks.
"...and today's Joyce Purnick column about the lack of attention for the Classon Avenue double murder of two Chinese immigrants (Times Select only)."
I was glad Gothamist mentioned this. Thanks.
Are these the two people that were found in the food distributor warehouse? and they're checking the son.
i am wondering where all the littlejohn defenders are now? you know, all the hipster scum liberals who were up in arms about the mugshot being posted the other day...well i am wondering how you feel now, no more cries of "but he hasn't been charged,,,,just because he's an ex con doesn't make him guilty, and the blah blah blah.." yay !!
there's no reason at all for hate-filled threads. the "haters" are the ignorant and will be ignored.
Littlejohn is a career violent criminal who has been blasé in recent weeks because he thinks he has covered his tracks. He's not, as of recent, the only suspect because he's black, he's the only suspect because he has a career history with violent crime (maybe not against women). He broke the law with his parole curfew and allegedly was seen by several witnesses with the victim. He's the last known person who was with her.
As the days have passed, I have done some thinking: there may have been more than one attacker. The police have mentioned that Littlejohn was in the vicinity of the body dumping area within hours of when the body was discovered. I'm wondering if the police have checked his cell phone for any friends he may have called with "I have a victim, who's in attitude?" or passed her off to a friend and then dumped the body, he does have a van... and the body was wrapped in a blanket probably to avoid getting fluid in his van... Allegedly the semen does not match his, but that DNA is being rechecked in a more elaborate DNA facility. In all honesty, he may be covering for a friend, but why when you're facing life without parole? In all likelyhood, he raped and murdered this woman and covered some of his tracks, not all.
wow..."told you so". can you please join the NYPD, because your psychic powers and amazing deductive reasoning would be greatly appreciated for some of the other horrible crimes which have occured over the past two weeks, including that double murder in bklyn.
i don't remember anyone saying that littlejohn was innocent or that he should be given an award for "citizen of the year". however, the law says "innocent until proven guilty". considering that there has not yet been a trial yet, please SHUT THE F--K UP!!
and even if he is found guilty, that still does not justify the NY Post, NY Daily News and Gothamist (and commentors) playing judge and jury before he was indicted.
How to punish this guy? Give him a set of weights, cable TV, some library books (if he cares) and three square meals a day. Of Course, don't forget to provide him with some smaller weak guy for him to sodomize at his pleasure. That'll teach him.
Yeah, I've heard prison is a real treat.
"i am wondering where all the littlejohn defenders are now?"
Nobody defended Littlejohn ever. Everyone defended the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Why? Easy. Anyone a black suspect comes up, the closeted--and not-so-closeted--racists come out to get the noose ready and start to "lynch" the suspect. The same treatment simply does not happen towards white suspects. Scott Peterson anyone?
If this guy did it, he should rot in hell and/or jail for life. But the idea that another person was involved is not far-fetched at all. Initial reports after the body was found by NYPD indicated they thought it was a gang rape. Given the behavior of the Dorrians (who own 'The Fall') and the fact the DNA evidence so far is just blood--no semen connection at all--there's no reason to simply close the book. And considering he's not been IDed in TWO line-ups for other rapes says something as well. Something is really a bit off here.
Would people rather this guy simply be locked up to "get things over with" and still have someone else who was involved in this running loose?
Nobody whose saying "innocent until proven guilty" is against justice. But I think most of the people who are saying that are erring on the side of not forming a lynch mob. This guy is no angel, but at least he's locked up for now. Why the rush for blood? Shouldn't we be rushing for real justice.
Prison is a real treat?
Compared to the death penalty or hard labor as it used to be implemented or to the punishment this guy (when found gulity) deserves?
Absolutely.
Could someone please explain to me why Dorrian/the bartender was not asked to provide a DNA sample as well? I don't recall hearing anything about this.
Obviously Littlejohn was involved but just because his DNA is on the the ties doesn't mean he specifically 1) raped her or 2) killed her. Something in this story does not seem complete.
Let me guess... prisoners must get real upset when they're released on parole, right?
Jack:
Don't try to argue the semantics of the law with these people. Your LIEBral views are holding back this country and society. God forbid you want to actually wait until he's convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers to decide whether he's guilty or innocent.
Also, the victim was Hispanic. She was probally upper class and light enough to be claimed as white since that's what white people do. But hey Black guys love raping and fucking White girls! So he probably raped and killed her for her glorious white vagina.
I swear, I grew up thinking that people in the city were much better than this.
None so blind as those who don't want to see (or the plain hard-headed).
Levels of discomfort:
Freedom
1. Present day jail system
2. Hard Labor
3. Dungeons
4. Death
5. Torture
See? Today's killers would prefer to be free but being imprisoned does not feel that bad compared to what could have been done to them.
"Obviously Littlejohn was involved but just because his DNA is on the the ties doesn't mean he specifically 1) raped her or 2) killed her. Something in this story does not seem complete."
I don't think the news reports said "because of the blood/dna match on the ties that he did in fact kill her". It was however, mentioned that he's now connected to the crime due to his blood being on the plastic ties.
As for Jack, the semen/DNA sample came back inconclusive, this does not mean it does not match. I bet they will test it more elaborately in another lab...
Pezdro, not sure where you're going with that one, other than she was hispanic, and allegedly from a middle class family... i'm not sure how that makes her white...
Two people here have brought up an interesting question. I might even call it "The Statistic That Can not be Discussed in Polite Society".
Now in all seriousness (for scientific purpose only), In NYC in the past ten years, how many black/hispanic women have been raped or killed by white men? How many white women have been raped or killed by black/hispanic men? How many women, period, have been raped or killed by men of any race?
From my own memory of watching the newscast and reading the papers, I don't remember any white man killing or raping black women in New York (if any, they must be very few). The reports of black killer/rapists and white victims, however, have been all over the news very frequently (as frequent as these things go). About the only rape stories that are even more prevalent are those of black rapists and black victims.
Regarding the post by 'Serious Question':
There were several news reports last week stating that, except for DL, all the men who were working at The Falls on the night/morning that Imette was there gave a DNA sample. I assume this included Danny Dorrian.
Regarding Jack's post and the suggestion that people's rush to "lynch" DL is racially motivated: I think that's an irresponsible conclusion. The same people were (are) just as eager to see Scott Peterson get his just punishment. Because Peterson's case also involved killing his own unborn child, people may have been a little less quick to be 'sure' in their own minds that he was guilty, so perhaps they weren't quite as quick in being sure as they are with DL, but I think that has less to do with the racial factor and more to do with the nature of the crime.
Lastly, Jack, I think the "rush for blood" is in fact a rush for justice, given that many believe that this crime is worthy of capital punishment (even if perhaps not legally possible - of this I'm not sure). I've not heard or seen anyone here post anything, even jokingly, to suggest that there should not be a trial, so even though they may be convinced themselves that the fellow is guilty, based on the facts that are available to them at this point, are are confident, arguably over-confident, that more facts will further bolster their opinion that he's guilty, no one is suggesting that a trial is a waste of time or unncessary. But they do want one swiftly. Fortunately, LE seems to be aware that rushing at this point is counterproductive, and they are trying to have a more thorough investigation before pressing charges because the worst possible scenario is that DL is, in fact, the perpetrator of this crime, and yet is found not-guilty because of too little evidence.
Forgive the momentary thread derail, but I can't believe anyone could seriously make such arguments as "criminals prefer prison over death, therefore prison is a real treat" or "I don't remember seeing any news stories about white men raping black women, thus it rarely happens" and then have the gall to call someone else hard-headed.
I guess it's to be expected of someone whose view of the world is informed solely by television and talk radio. Spending any amount of time speaking to prisoners might change your mind about the sheer joy of life in prison. Looking over crime statistics might give you a better idea of what crime actually occurs.
I have the feeling you've done neither. The closest you've probably ever come to a prison is watching an episode of Prison Break and by your own admission, your analysis of race and crime comes from the anecodotal evidence you've gathered by "watching the newscast and reading the papers."
It's the hallmark of the small-minded to believe their own biased guesses are not only the absolute truth, but also a truth worth ridiculing other people for not buying into.
I now return you to your impromptu lynch mob...
Tim:
Way to counter anecdotal evidence with facts. I am now truly overwhelmed with your data.
/sarcasm tag off.
Actually you really missed an opportunity there to enlighten me about you knowledge/opinion of life behind bars and any knowledge of criminal/racial statistics. Instead, as of now, I remained unconvinced of any arguments against my anecdotal evidence. However, I do have learned to disregard any future comments coming from you, as I 'm sure you'll do the same to mine. Sometimes people on these threads provide new ideas but, obviously, this one was not the one to discuss statistical criminal/racial distribution, their reasons and possible ways to ameliorate them.
I hereby return you to your own sense of superiority.
Don't feed the Trolls...
Agreed, S.D.
I think SD was referring to you, Tim.
Umm, I was interested in looking for that elephant in the room so I did a little googling. So after coming up with a few sites that definately screamed "racist white free mongering" I finally found a Aurtrailian Sentinal article- OK, scratch that- it is about a called Race War or something (no idea if it is racist- just sounds it)- More searching to be done.
And the Justice Dept site and findings are just too damn dense (and seem loath to give data broken out by race).
Anon, that topic is indeed "The Statistic That Can not be Discussed in Polite Society". Aside from the racist sites you found I don't think that there'll be anything else but "anecdotal evidence". Un-PC research like that can end careers, be they criminologists, psychologists or social workers.
Interestingly, racial patterns in male rapes has been studied. Humans Rights Watch points out that:
"Past studies have documented the
prevalence of black on white sexual
aggression in prison.(213) These
findings are further confirmed by
Human Rights Watch's own research.
Overall, our correspondence and
interviews with white, black, and
Hispanic inmates convince us that
white inmates are disproportionately
targeted for abuse.(214) Although many
whites reported being raped by white
inmates, black on white abuse appears
to be more common. To a much lesser
extent, non-Hispanic whites also
reported being victimized by Hispanic
inmates."
"Rape radicalizes white prisoners. It
drives them to join racist gangs for
self-defense and revenge."
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report4.html
Yet again jmchez shows that prison does sound like a lot of fun!
(I know, stop feeding the trolls.)
Tim, do you have anything to offer but snide remarks without substance?
Your one-track, one sentence (but for one)comments and name calling make you sound inmature and uncultured, regardless of your age, foreign travel or whatever education you may have acquired. Why do you only respond to my postings? Were you ever in jail, had a loved one in jail, been raped yourself? Did a bully or a domineering father call you hard-headed as a kid? What's your trauma?
P.S.
If you only cared to think, you would realize that Littlejohn is likely to be the one doing the sodomizing (reread my first post).
Oh gosh, where to begin?
Let's start with your first comment in this thread, where you imply that life in prison is easy. First off, if that wasn't your implication, please forgive me. The "prisoners have it good" line is an old canard, and there are plenty of people who make it their lives' work to refute that claim. One of the most notable groups is one, that in a moment of serendipitious irony, you quoted in one of your last posts: Human Rights Watch. I invite you to read further on that site, then come back and still try to claim that the prison where Littlejohn will end up will be a treat.
I'm also disturbed by your later assertion that since Littlejohn is likely to do the sodomizing, then he indeed is living a good life. I don't know how you get your kicks, but a lifetime of raping men does not sound like my idea of a fun time.
As for "The Statistic That Can not be Discussed in Polite Society" (don't even get me started on the self-importance it must take to capitalize your own blowhard phrase), you made a claim with no evidence to back it up besides anecdotal evidence. Come back to me when you've got real statistical evidence and then we'll talk. I did enjoy your "My anecdotal evidence? What about your lack of facts?!?" rebuttal, though. It had a certain "I know you are, but what am I?" elegance to it. I look forward to your future claims that you are rubber and I'm glue.
I hope this comment had enough sentences in it to impress you with my maturity, culture, the extent of my travels, and my education. I'm done feeding the trolls, I swears it!
P.S. I don't think I once resorted to "name-calling" in any of my posts. I did say that small-minded people are the victims of their own biases, but I left it up to you to decide whether you include yourself in that group.
Sorry, one last thing...
I have to wonder why you find it so important to reduce the rate of black men/white women rape. Personally, I'd like to see a reduction in all rape cases, regardless of the races of the people involved.
Now I'm done.
Such anger!
Now I'm done.
Sorry folks for this sad spectacle.
Why is there any merit given to this idea that the blanket had someone else's semen stains on it? It's an old blanket for crissakes, god know's where it's been. The point is, it has Littlejohn's house fibers all over it.
His blood and fibers from his house were all over Imette. And his DNA appears to match another rape victim. Uh....let me deduce: Maybe his butler did it!
The only way this loser will walk is if the jury has a political agenda. That's all I'm saying'.
But it won't fly. New York is not LA! New Yorkers are not wimps.
All you need is one.
You'll be surprised because it's usually more than one.
And what are you exactly saying?
When was the last time you served on a jury?
I was on a Grand jury last summer, that's doing 2 full weeks, five days a week, from nine to five, sometimes longer if they had a rush case to get in before the deadline.
That's all I'm saying.
Re #27... I'm Tim N., not the other guy...
I was on a jury for homicide in Manhattan back in the late 80s. So I definitely know what it's like. All juries are different.
The one I was on there was this tearful, liberal jurist who was suffering agony at the thought she might sent the wrong guy to jail--even though it was obvious he was guilty for shooting someone down in a bar. The rest of us jumped on her neck. We forced her to think logically instead of emotionally, and she caved. Thank God!
And PS...I am just waiting for Littlejohn's attorney to throw the race card into this.
Who wants to make a bet?
Blacks get burnt up over racism and non-blacks (meaning everyone else) get burnt up over the opportunistic use of the race card when it comes to criminals. Both sides have a justified gripe.
Tim said:
"..you made a claim with no evidence to back it up besides anecdotal evidence. Come back to me when you've got real statistical evidence and then we'll talk."
Here you go :
Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
http://www.nc-f.org/index.htm
Igor, those statistics are horseshit, they come from the New Century Foundation, a racist far right think tank that, among other things, revisionism regarding the Nazi Holocaust and support for white supremacy organizations.
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/amren.asp?xpicked=5&item=amren