Gothamist: Today Goes to Shanghai

blah

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:56:06 -0500

"without capitalist competition medical equipments would still be more" ha ha. have you seen how much medicine and medical instrumentation costs in capitalist countries? cuba may have a lot of bad things: dictatorship, human rights, but their medicine is top notch for a per capita income measure. wake up: competition is NOT the solution to everything.

Kojak

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:58:35 -0500

I'd love to visit Shanghai one day. But I don't want to find myself in a bathtub filled with ice, and with a hole in my back where my kidneys used to be. But I think its worth the risk.

ASDASDAS

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:50:39 -0500

Shanghai is a young city? Please, what a load of crap. NYC is a young city, only several centuries old. Shanghai's been around more far longer, as are most cities in the old world. What a load of crap.

b

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:02:27 -0500

one of the driving factors that has allowed more families to purchase computers is the majority of chipmakers manufacturing in China rather than Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, and Korea ...anyways, before we criticize other country's for their human rights issues, we should really be looking at ourselves first

Vin

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:11:52 -0500

Nathan, so what is exactly your argument here? I could have said without capitalist competition medical equipments would still be more, making them less accessible to the poor, if that example will make you feel better. But what example I give is irrelevant to my point, which I don't think you got.

Nathan

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:54:17 -0500

Vin-And I was just saying: so what? So what if TVs and CD Players and the like are expensive?

Vin

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:41:20 -0500

Chinese eat dogs too, especially in rural areas where they are raised and sold in markets for consumption. I wasn't knocking on their eating habits eithee, it's just a fact.

Kojak

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:58:20 -0500

I Think cat and dog eating is more of a stereotype that has to do with Koreans. But don't knock it till you tried it.

Vin

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:50:55 -0500

Yes, Amol, I believe that they do, and cats and rats too.

Amol

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:48:07 -0500

Do they still eat dogs?

Kojak

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:45:51 -0500

Why can't Matt Lauer pay a visit to HELL?? Its nice and warm there year round.

Kojak

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:42:46 -0500

Right now the biggest obstacle in the way of Chinese cooperate dominance is the Chinese government themselves. Corruption is everywhere and the government tends to get too involved in their company’s affairs and forces them to make decisions that hurt the companies financially. Even at China’s current rates of growth compared to that of the United States, they won’t catch up with us for a long time. Besides, they have lots of growing up to do, especially on the Human rights and Economic issues.

Vin

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:31:26 -0500

Nathan, I was making a point with TV as a hypothetical example, not commenting on whether TV purchases make anyone's life worthwhile or not.

Ash

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:09:03 -0500

While the 20th may have been the "American century", it appears the 21st will belong to China.

Nathan

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:54:31 -0500

Wow vin. You really brightened my day up. $1000 for a 13" b&w TV? Dubious, and also, so what? Like big TVs are what makes life worth living.

vin

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:39:55 -0500

Are you ranting about Chinese Companies specifically, or free market, capitalism/globalization in general? Your "points" have been made by for years, starting with Japan, Taiwan, now China. This is just pure economic principals, labors and manufacturing always shift towards the least expensive cost of production. I have nothing against big corps like Walmart making a profit because that's what they do, and have to do to. If it's not China, you don't think there'll be other countries willing to make the cheap craps that you see in Walmart? If it's not for cheaper products to replace new technologies, and the need for continuous innovation, we'll still be spending over $1000 for a 13" b&w TV right now. Environmental and safety concerns will eventually catch up in time as China's labor cost grow, and the middle class demand stricter regulations. Japan and S Korea are good examples, their products are top notch and definitely not cheap. 10 to 20 years down the road you'll be complaining the same thing about cheap African products flooding Walmart. As for Tibet, I seriously doubt that there'll be a free Tibet in the immediate future, so don't get your hopes up.

Toby

Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:51:51 -0500

Why do we deal with the evil ChiComs? Sadly the answer is capatalist greed - think Walmart. The ChiComs have a human rights record that makes Dick Cheney and his gang look like Canadians. Also, the ChiComs don't care about the environment, so big bad companies like Walmart deal with them so they can get low prices for stuff they can sell in their destructive stores since the goods had lower overhead, since who needs health, safety, and enviornmental regulations? I am sick and tired of all this poorly produced ChiCom crap that floods the US - just try to get a quality waffle iron, for example. And of course, FREE TIBET!