More on the Murder That Happened to Be Outside Teany

Everybody down a notch.

One of my favorite quotes is

"Never try to teach a pig to sing,

It wastes your time and annoys the pig"

The woman with the dog is obviously valiantly in search of a clue. Nothing you can do about her.

In an emergency, ignore the periphery, and focus on the objective.

Never cease to be amazed at the lack of perspective of people you encounter every day.

But it's not worth it to bother confronting them on their own stupidty and lack of perspective.

Research proves that those of inferior skills and abilities grossly overrate themselves in many parameters of humanity. (Study references are available on request.)

As for the LES, Gothamist, the Post, demographic influences on media, you know the story.

Feel free to email me for a bit of my own perspective on the unfixable.

Bofug

Hey asd, so let me get this straight. I'm at home minding my own business. My dog needs to "go". I get the leash and walk downstairs. Some guy who I've never seen before tells me "why dont you go walk your dog somewhere else" because I didn't have the ESP to know that leaving my own apartment to let my dog take a piss would be insensitive on that particular night.

I really could care less about fucking Teeny. Some poor guy died. From the tone of the original "Extra, Extra" blog entry, I am certain that the people who run this blog would have been demanding their lattes over his body as well, and probably would have dug into the guy's pockets to see if he had any business cards from hip little restaurants they could also blog about.

in regards to the incident, It happened around 8.45 as we were prepping food and opening teany. it took the police about ten minutes to show up after we called and the paramedics came about 5 minutes after that. there was no way that people did not see the blood as he was laying on his back, his shirt entirely drenched with it as well as his right hand.i held his hand until the paramedics came. yes, there was a crowd of people on the street that were doing nothing but when i looked up at them it wasnt as if they didnt care. they just looked as scared and and full of panic as i was.

as for people's personal attacks on moby and teany employeees, i would like to have seen what you would have done in this situation.the people that were working with me at the time were probably the most caring and empathetic people i know in this city, and this effected them very deeply.

this man was a human being and he died a very undiginified death and we did everything we could. the tea shop, the clientele, the owner, none of that really matters as far as i am concerned. a man died and we did the best we could.

wow, your perspective has really opened my eyes Gabe. ahem. I mean MOby in disguise.

Gothamist is psyched about it, because as a result, they have TONS of page views, over 100 comments posted, which all ads up when their stats are viewd by potential advertisers. All publicity is good publicity, especially the bad publicity. Dont forget, gothamist is a business, they have no ethical/social mission.

PS - as much as I dislike Moby, why is he described as "scapegoating" in the above comments? Peace and safety is the responsibility of us all (and the Police, of course). He is no more or less responsible for this murder than any New Yorker. The staff of Teany were helpless witnesses and, in the future, secondary victims of the day-to-day terror that we confront as New Yorkers. They deserve the same amount of sympathy as anyone who lives near the site of a murder, which, satisically, is almost everybody in the city. Lay off them.

PS - as much as I dislike Moby, why does he described as "scapegoating" in the above comments. Peace and safety is the responsibility of us all (and the Police, of course). He is no more or less responsible for this murder as any New Yorker and the staff of Teany were helpless witnesses and, in the future, secondary victims of the day-to-day terror that we confront as New Yorkers. They deserve the same amount of sympathy as anyone who lives near the site of a murder, which, satisically, is almost everybody in the city. Lay off them.

There's a really important question I have to ask.

People get shot, stabbed, and beaten to death in this wonderful, difficult city all the time. It's tragic,preventable, and worthy of news coverage in almost every case. If the media focused on murder in this city more, perhaps we would see an even greater decline in the homicide rate than we have in the last decade (which has been considerable). I'm sorry this man died and I'm concerned that his killer has not yet seen full justice.

That said, HOW DOES THE FACT THAT THIS MAN WAS KILLED OUTSIDE AN OVERHYPED MUSICIAN'S OVERHYPED TEASHOP MAKE IT A BURNING NEWS STORY? If he had died a couple of blocks over in front of, say, those basketball courts across from Shiller's, would that have been a headline? If he had died in East New York, would that have been a headline? I think not. The situation of a murder is relevant only to the investigation, not the reportage - to foist this story on the public as relevant because it happened outside a supposedly trendy (face it, it really isn't all that good - and I love trendy things) teashop is self-concerned at best and a cynical use of a man's death for a few hollow observations at worst.

Teany and Moby are as irrelevant to this story as the brand of socks the victim was wearing.

For the record, "Welcome to the big city, you fucking yuppie," if that's what was really said, is a pretty ridiculous thing to say to someone that just tells you their friend was shot. No?

I'm with you asd. If you think you're dog's bladder is more important than wondering what happened outside your building that would have warranted a flying squad of cops, a half-dozen squad cars in full flash, and yellow crime-scene tape, then you're too f***ing self-absorbed to be a decent citizen of any city or town. I admire you for your restraint, friend. I would have kicked the dog.

Hard.

(Unless, of course, it was a big dog.)

BTW, re: Teany... did anyone notice that the Teany employee was the one asking the cops to put the tape up around the store, because the nice nabe folks were demanding lattes when he/she was trying to help the bleeding guy? Check the Times piece... sounds like he/she was trying to do the right thing. Guess its harder to see blood without a espresso shot in your system.

Whatever. Sorry for you loss, asd.

Sorry I didn't fully describe the scene, I guess without every detail filled in it must be assumed that I am a total, self-absorbed jerk.

My original point was just to make an observation about karma that many victims of violent crime feel. Wish I hadn't bothered now. Here it is, then I'll go away:

This wasn't a busy street with foot traffic and dog walkers all over the place. It was a quiet dark area, which is probably why we were attacked in the first place. Now picture it completely lit up by cop cars all over the place. From four blocks away, it looked like a major crime had occurred. There was yellow tape everywhere. My friend's (the victim's) brother actually walked by the scene a block away later and thought "holy Christ, what the hell happened there?" Cops were combing the ground looking for evidence. Other cop cars were screaming up and down the nearby streets looking for the killers. The sidewalks were lined with onlookers and rubberneckers. This woman marched through this gauntlet of crime scene cleanup and law enforcement with a smirk on her face while her little dog hopped beside her past the police. Her demeanor said she'd seen it all. This was no biggie to her.

I had just knocked on my friend's girlfriend's door to wake her up and tell her her boyfriend had been shot in the head outside their apartment. Then the woman came marching through and stopped right in front of me. I don't expect the world to bend to my will and read my mind, but at that moment any idiot could tell something serious had happened and I was involved. I looked at her and said (not yelled), "can't you find a better place to walk your dog?" That was all she needed. Most of the people who talked to me that night were in disbelief that it happened right outside their doors. Many said "it could've been me."

I should have kept my mouth shut that night because the woman must have had a screw or two loose. But I didn't. Sorry. Anyway, whatever. Thanks for the smug constructive criticism and cold assumptions. If the woman ever gets evicted as a previous poster said, maybe you guys defending her would prefer to have her as a neighbor.

that's a tagline, not a constitution. do you honestly not understand the character of this blog any more than that? clearly gothamist is focused on certain locales, cultures and subjects within the city. isn't that obvious from all previous music/events/food/news coverage?

i missed the part where they said 'a single fair and balanced voice for every person in new york'. it's local.

It's funny that the teany employees have the same sanctimonious accusatory attitude as moby generally does... Maybe that's the new hipster - if something bad happens look around for scapegoats. Some of the comments here fit right in the mold. Scapegoat Hunting Hipsters are the new Trucker Hat.

Hijiki: Here's how Gothamist describes itself:

"Gothamist is a website about New York."

If Gothamist wants to be a website that covers only certain parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn, it should stop pretending to be "about New York."

The mob has spoken!

Monorail! MONORAIL!!!! MONORAIL!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, the enthusiasm of saying this when the story first happened:

"Gothamist will bike over and grab a picture..."

Is quite pathetic. Someone's just been stabbed and killed and a blog decides to go all 'chicken little' and grab a snapshot mainly because it happened in the LES?

The mob has spoken!!!!

The worst hipsters are the ones who flaunt that they are such "New Yorkers" but speak with such perky California valley accents that it makes me want to gag myself with a spoon. (Like, he was all like ohmigod like totally like like like LIKE ohmigod like like TOTALLY. OH...... MY....... GOD...... best..... thing..... EV-ERRR like totally like like). If I only had a nickel every time I heard some "New Yorker" kid hiccup the word "like," I'd be a millionaire.

come on jack, what's wrong with a blog reporting on the events in their own neghborhood over similar events in areas where they have no ties? it's not 'hipster' it's local. am i a 'hipster' because i know who moby is but never heard of a mosholu golf course?

We have a winner. Jack, please come up to claim your prize.

"And what the fuck does this have to do with hipsters?"

Because the entire reaon this questionable entry--and the previous one as well--exists is because it happened outside of a hipster tea shop co-owned by Moby.

In contrast, a woman's badly burned body found at the Mosholu Golf Course in Van Cortlandt Park in the Bronx is soooo passe.

This is really pathetic all around.

You think that because of your personal hardship, that everyone around you should bow to your wishes and instantly empathize with your plight. She probably didn't grasp the reality of the situation but if you were looking for respect from a stranger, then instead of scolding her, maybe you could have tried a more human approach.

What do you do when some stranger comes up and starts yelling at you on the street? Do you think, "Gee this guy really needs a hug"? Hostility begets hostility.

Ok, I'm a dickhead. But calling me a dickhead does not stir much sympathy. I see how you work.

A hipster is like a yuppie but even worse because he/she lies to themselves that they aren't into excess and are environmentally conscious and emotionally sensitive cause they listen to EMO but basically they are the same exact animal. So a hipster is basically a sactimonious Yuppie

A hipster is an asshole who thinks he's cool. Only problem is that cool is always undefined. Cool is something that everydbody discretely knows is awesome but nobody openly declares. For example. Everybody knows Mr. T is inherently cool. But a fucking Hipster will say He/she Loves Mr. T. and obsess over it making it uncool by announcing to the world that it's cool by showing his collection of MR. T dolls. So a hipster basically negates all coolness. Ipods = cool. Hipster wearing ipods = uncool.

(In regards to ASD's comment)

Some of you guys aren't seeing both sides.

The woman didn't necessarilly know what was going on (she wasn't a nosy rubbernecker). I personally never look when I see a bunch of police cars, because I mind my own damn business when I walk down the street.

So, think about it--you're walking your dog minding your own business, then out of nowhere some stranger confronts you and blurts out:

"Can't you find a better place to walk your dog?"

This woman didn't know there was a murder, because she wasn't looking. She wasn't there when the shooting occured. How the fuck was she supposed to know??

So, this means that ASD was the initial aggressor. Sure, she knew after ASD told her, but that was *after* he screamed at her FIRST. Her response was coldhearted but was that's what you get when you scream at people assuming that the whole goddamned city will stop just for you. It's sad, but true.

Was there visible blood? Did the victim look homeless?

If most of us saw a homeless-looking man lying in the middle of the sidewalk, I doubt we'd stop. You see that every day in New York. The people walking by might have been oblivious to what was really happening.

And what the fuck does this have to do with hipsters? Seriously. Everyone that has an iPod is a hipster? If you like tea/coffee, you're a hipster? That word has no meaning at all.

No, that's not exactly what I'm saying 'sorry, but.' But karma is something one thinks a lot about when bad stuff happens. You can't help thinking "I wish it had been them."

Grow up, the next time I see another best friend get his head blown off, I promise to be much more rational, caring and understanding to people who come traipsing through the crime scene, letting their dog piss all over the place.

You're both dickheads.

This piece of news scares me. Imagine yourself being hurt on a busy street and no one bothers to help. I passed out on the 6 train once traveling from the Bronx to midtown. Someone saw me fainting and gave me her seat on a very packed train. I guess because I didn't look like a homeless man, otherwise, who knows.

ASD, I'm with you on this one. Her behavior was unconscionable under the circumstances, which she clearly knew of after you told her. What an asshole. I hope she gets her ass booted from her rent-controlled apartment so that *she* can learn about "life in the big city."

She didn't know what happened. Maybe you should think twice about telling oblivious people what to do.

So you're saying that because someone happened to be an insensitive bitch, that person doesn't deserve to live to old age? She didn't pull the trigger. She's only guilty of being a bitch. Stick and stones.

I was walking with a friend of mine late one night a couple years ago and as we walked past two guys approaching us, one of them whipped out a gun and shot him in the head for no reason. They ran off into the night. I ran next door to a bar and screamed for them to call 911.

After the ambulance came and took my friend away, a woman came down the street walking her dog, nonchalantly weaving around all the police who'd arrived. Her little dog sniffed around and picked out little spots to mark his territory. She had a pleasant look on her face, as if she was on a Saturday afternoon stroll.

Picture the scene: there were at least six cop cars with their flashers going ... a dozen uniforms ... a couple detectives ... medical examiners checking out the pool of blood and looking for any evidence they can find ... at least twenty people from the bar around the corner and nearby apartment buildings, on the sidewalk, horrified and shocked. I'm pacing around, crying, shaking, chain-smoking. And here comes this woman, pleasantly walking down the sidewalk stopping to let her dog piss.

Something in me snapped. I should have ignored her, but, in shock, I said, "can't you find a better place to walk your dog?"

Her: "I can walk my dog anywhere I want!"

Me: "My friend just got shot thirty feet away, there's cops everywhere, and you're whistling through here, letting your dog piss."

Her: "Aww ... your friend got shot! Welcome to life in the big city you fucking yuppie! People get shot all the time. What do you want me to do?"

At this point, we both started screaming and finally the cops started yelling, "get the fuck out of here lady or you're going to jail," so she left.

My friend died. His former late-night dog walking neighbor will undoubtedly live into her 90s.

Of course it has something to do with hipsters--ie., the Teany employee's valley accent ("like") and the passers-by with iPods--both of which are hipster staples.

maybe they couldn't see the blood. homeless people pass out on the street all the time, and most people dont stop to touch them and see if they are just sleeping or if they are breathing. they might have just thought it was someone passed out drunk on the street or something, who knows.

it's one thing to stop for someone who is bleeding, or to check if a homeless guy is still breathing or when it's cold outside.

Well then, IMO, Society need to improve.

'Hipsters ignoring a dying man? that's just bloody awful. FUCKING HIPSTERS!'

has nothing to do with hipsters, i've seen this in midtown manhattan with business people walking around homeless people laying in the middle of the sidewalk

this post has me scared for society in general. First Moby is covering his own ass and not even concerned with the guy who got stabbed. He's like "Who cares? keep drinking my lattes alright, there is nothing to see here!". and second, Hipsters ignoring a dying man? that's just bloody awful. FUCKING HIPSTERS!

Can't blame the desensitize behavior though

Sure you can. I'm a life long New Yorker and When I came across a man who was knocked out and stabbed in the leg in Queens, I went to the nearest house, (Pre Cell phone) called 911 and stuck around to answer questions. Couldn't tell them much other than "I turned the corner and he was right there"...

What was screwed up was: That was a fairly busy street corner at rush hour. The Paramedics said he was there for at least 45 minutes judging from how dry the blood was. People must seen him and just kept going.

It's one thing to be desensitized, quite another to do the wrong thing. Stepping over/around the body to go for a Coffee is just wrong.

"The Post says one teany employee said people were just walking over the body...People were just walking by with their iPod headphones on. That was tripping me out, that they kept on walking."

i'm not surprised, I've seen this in LA and SF too. Can't blame the desensitive behavior though, if you've seen half of these people sprawled out on the sidewalk, you'd be a little more than scared too. It's unfortunate, but true.