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Charlie and the Broken Social Contract

Like many others, Gothamist headed to the movies this weekend. We saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the Oompas Loompas rule), and to our surprise, more disturbing than Johnny Depp's characterization of Willy Wonka was the behavior of some of our fellow moviegoers. During the afternoon showing full of adults and children alike, a young girl start to bawl during the movie. Not fun for the rest of us, but it happens. Except usually parents will usher a child out of the theater if the crying is excessive. But these parents let her cry for at least 10 minutes, before other moviegoers of the aggro kind started to scream, "GET HER OUT!" repeatedly. So the bawling girl's father takes her down to the middle of the theater...but doesn't take her out, letting her cry there longer. That's when an angry patron trying to get his $10.50 worth stood up and got in the father's face. After a few moments of the two men staring each other down (some possible pushing might have occured but we were trying to watch the movie), the father took his daughter, plus his wife and other child, out of the theater.

Now, aside from being sort of excited in a mob justice way, Gothamist was disappointed by the behavior of our fellow moviegoers. We're surprised that someone would try to get into a fight during an children's movie, but the first transgressors were the parents who let their kids cry in the movie too long. And in another Charlie & the Chocolate Factory moviegoing incident, one couple talked throughout the movie, comparing it to the book. Gothamist thought the movie social contract was to loudly comment until people would be embarrassed enough to shush, but are we in an unembarrassable time? And is it just us, or are moviegoers getting worse and worse?

Ask Gothamist tackled movie annoyances and latecomers; and the City Council is trying to get movie theaters to present the real showtimes of their movies. And did you see Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? What did you think? And what about the book and the 1971 movie? We're going to get the soundtrack because the Willy Wonka song is stuck in our head.

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  • Steve

    Looks like the posts about movie courtesy or lack therof have ended. I thought we might be able to reach 100 comments, but oh well. Maybe we'll reach 100 degrees to day instead! Sounds like perfect weather for going to see a movie in an air-conditioned theater.

  • Tony Danza

    Not only are movies for poor people, but since most poor people are black or brown, movie theaters are really just for blacks and hispanics, specifically poor ones.

    White people stay at home and watch HDTV on their 75" plasma flat screens.

    This also explains why Martin Lawrence is allowed to make movies still. It also proves that poor people are also stupid, or at least like poop and pee jokes.

    By the way, watch my show - The Tony Danza show. I mix poop and pee jokes with "high brow" humor, so poor and rich people will like it.

  • Richard Grieco

    I totally agree with Rich Guy. HELLO! THEATRE MOVIES are for poor people! I have a home theater with a 51 inch plasma television with 5.1 dts surround sound and 2 dead llamaskin chairs. If my daughter makes a sound during the movie I just smack her in the mouth. That's real living, you plebians!

  • i'm so lonely

    I have no one to go to the movies with :(

  • D

    I really think that many people who go to movies or any public activity and feel compelled to draw attention to themselves are demonstrating their inherent need to perform, albeit in a really fucked up and annoying way. Many people never have an outlet to express themselves and they end up displaying really horrid "look at me" behavior. Often, that translates into "don't pay attention to what's in front of you, let me distract you from that so you focus on me instead."

    Just so we're all clear that coerced diversion is not confined to, as some of y'all have suggested, the lower classes or the non-white, I'd like to point out the countless times I've been apoplectic at classical music concerts, too, when people feel compelled to *cough, cough, cough* (usually at the quietest bits) or stage-whisper "wow" or "beautiful!!!" or chair-dance in rhythm, ostensibly to telegraph their enjoyment/acknowledgement/superior knowledge/whatever.

    Yeah, I do in some ways prefer buying CDs and DVDs and enjoying at home.

  • bob denver

    Dear Gothamist:

    After a good meal I like to go out to a movie. I hate to miss any portion of the film once it has started. If I can't wait is it o.k. to poop in an empty popcorn bucket?

  • Kojak

    Stampede... Bahh

  • Kojak

    I remember when seeing South Park; Bigger, Longer and Uncut in the theater for the first time. Of course there were some parents stupid enough to bring their little kids to see it, paying no attention to the R rating on the screen in bright red.

    They soon realized the error of their ways once the words 'Pig Fucker' and 'Shit-Faced Cock Master' were blurted out during the song 'Uncle Fucka' After that there was a stamped of mommies and little brats to the exit door. Classic.

    75 Posts. Is this the longest ever for Gothamist?

  • Rich GUY

    Who goes to see movies Nowadays? the people who can't afford computers to download stuff. The people who can't afford DVD's or the big televison sets to watch on em. That' right. Poor People. and poor people have no class. If you look at the box office all the blockbuster mainstream movies make money but the real moneymakers are crap urban movies like diary of mad black woman, The pacifier, and Are we there Yet?. all these poor people have no manners and that is why people stop going to the movies. Plus you got your horny Young daters who go to the movie just to hookup. People like me will never step foot into a theatre as long as we've got netflix. The moral of my story is that MOVIE THEATERS ARE FOR POOR PEOPLE!

  • Jamie

    I seem to have less trouble when seeing movies at the IMAX theater at Lincoln Square. Maybe the price of the movie means that the audience skews toward people who are more serious about the experience and less tolerant of distractions.

  • dhex

    fwiw, i thought this incarnation of charlie was quite good, far better than the gene wilder version.

  • l

    Yeah, it's a kids' movie and you might expect to see kids there...at an afternoon or early evening showing. But who the hell keeps their kids up past 11 PM just to see a movie?

    If I had gone to the 3 PM show, I'd hardly complain about a few or even a few dozen crying or talking kids. That would be something to expect. But at 11 PM? That's not only inconsiderate, it's bad parenting.

    To top it off, the people behind us kept saying "Oh, no" or "No way" or "Nu-uh" and "No he didn't" every time something creepy happened. After hearing enough commentary from these two (adults, by the way) to fill the movie's eventual DVD release, my friend turned to them and said, "Actually, he did. Now can you please be quiet?" They were quiet for the rest of the movie.

    Another couple kept letting their four year old kick the back of my friend's seat, despite numerous appeals requesting him to stop. But he didn't. So we had to listen to the mom - a white mom, by the way Connie - plead and negotiate with her kid. How about just grabbing the kid and holding him on a lap? Some parents are afraid to come across as the bad guys to their own kids and wind up losing all authority. This kid knew his mom wasn't going to do anything, so he kept doing it.

    I'll never go to Court Street UA again. It's not because the movies suck that the industry is hurting this summer, it's because the experience of viewing them is terrible.

  • Samantha T

    When I was a kid, I would have been silenced by the awe of being in a movie theatre in the first place. I think I went to four movies by the time I was 11 - no exaggeration. Yelling and running around wasn't an option in any social context with my parents at the helm. Never mind the possibility of popcorn from the concession stand.

  • ted

    I was at that Kill Bill 2 showing too! The mother refused to leave the theater, even after 20 minutes of yelling/complaining from other moviegoers. Hilariously, the kid's father gave up and left by himself after a while. Ultimately, the theater's management had the mother and child removed and we all got free tickets - so that helped a bit.

  • Steve

    "i like the size though, it's hard to pack too many jackasses into a theatre that small." (ref: Cobble Hill)

    You'd be surprised. I've seen my fair share of d-bags there. Generally, though, I think you're right. The quality of patron at Cobble Hill is much higher than at the big Atlantic/Court Street theater.

    But, any theater you go to is going to have lots of jerks... even at the Cobble Swill theater, I had to listen to a guy explain the differences between the book, movie and radio play of Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy to his girlfriend. I felt badly for him (and really badly for her) since he was wearing one of those fat guy Spider-Man shirts, but he was so irritating, and everyone kept shushing...

  • Jamie

    So, Late Adopter, you are justifying a complete lack of parental control by just throwing up your hands and saying "that's just the way kids are?"

    No, that's not just how kids are. That's how kids are when they have parents who are inconsiderate morons.

  • Late Adopter

    Kids are way more understanding than childless "adults" in these situations. Kids don't think about the 10.50 they're wasting or that their life needs to be hermetically sealed. I've yet to see a kid rant and rave about how another crying kid ruined his/her movie experience. Kids cry, scream, laugh, fart, puke, sneeze w/ gigantic boogers coming out of their noses and make all sorts of noises all the time and at random and that's the way kids are. Visit any playground in NYC and you'll see this. Please, go buy your home movie theater and enjoy the next Pixar movie in the comfort of your own childless home.

  • Rose

    Okay, back to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

    Not going to see it because I don't want to. Loved Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Loved Gene Wilder, loved the songs,the oompha loomphas and the rest of the cast. Without even seeing Johnny Depp, only trailers and critics' comments, I don't want to touch this one. I'll let the suspense of not seeing it last.

  • Umm... you did ask about the movie, right?

    "And did you see Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? What did you think? "

    I was really disappointed. I like Tim Burton, but this was kind of a waste. I was left sitting there going, "Why did they bother?"

    Depp was good, but with better writing might have been a lot better. He should have been weirder.

    Plus, the whole dad thing was inane. Two lollipops down.

  • dhex

    "the Cobble Hill Cinema is far from "great". The screens are tiny, and the last showing is like at 9pm or something."

    i think it's 9:30 or 10 for most films. i like the size though, it's hard to pack too many jackasses into a theatre that small.

    plus the popcorn is usually pretty good.

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