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Yesterday morning, a group of teenage boys attacked another group of boys, killing one and wounding the other two - most likely over a girl. At the 183rd Street 4 train station, Marvel Martinez, Fernando Ramales and Daniel Valentino were waiting for a train to high school when the attacking group approached them. One boy "plunged" a machete in Martinez's back and back of his head, according to Newsday. Ramales and Valentino tried to flee, but the attackers eventually caught up with each, stabbing them. Martinez died, while Ramales and Valentino are in hospitals. Commissioner Raymond Kelly told the media, "We believe it was a dispute over a young woman who may have been the girlfriend of one of the individuals and gone out with one of the victims." The Daily News says that Ramales had "dared to eat lunch" with the girlfriend, meaning that the attackers killed the "wrong" guy. There is some speculation that the attack was gang-related. Police are still trying to look for the suspects.
Subway Machete Attack Kills One, Injures Others
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Those Mariachi guys piss me off when you enter a mostly silent subway car.
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You refer to Ramales as Ramirez when he is first introduced. I bet you want to fix that.
Thanks, Deb.
Rwanda on the Hudson. Great.
They behave like savages straight out of the jungle!
And it's the East River, not the Hudson.
'Rwanda on the Hudson'? 'Savages'? 'Jungle'?
The hell is this? Can the racist jabber, pronto.
Truly depressing. The ghetto-ness of this city can be astounding at times.
Seriously? What is wrong with kids?!? They are randomly shooting people in on the LES for the most inane of reasons and now they are hunting each other down with machetes? I can't believe I can look at myself as a child of the 80's and consider myself part of the a civilized generation.
Things like this, while unusual and unfortunate, are going to happen every now and then.
Someone once said that things that have a million-to-one chance of happening occur eight times a day in NYC.
Yesterday we played softball in the pitted, broken-glass strewn fields at Morningside Park. We had a permit for the field but that didn't stop the kids there from threatening to "fuck up all y'all whiteys" and telling us "y'all should be ice skating instead" (I hate ice skating!). When we finally convinced them (in the obligatory sheepish dotcommer way) to leave the field they insisted on repeatedly throwing their ball back onto the field so their unleashed pitbull could fetch it. Later on a 10 year old came up to me and asked me about softball. While I was explaining the game to him he grabbed one of our softballs from the ground and just ran away with it as fast as he could, right in front of my eyes! Granted there were no machetes or death involved, but I find little episodes like this very demoralizing and disenfranchising. Compound this over a lifetime of living here and you could understand why some may yearn to seek greener pastures...
fed up-try calling 311 for unleashed pit bulls.
as for the kids--maybe if citizens pressured pols to put more resources into afterschool programs, these kids would have something to do after school instead of just hanging out and harrassing you. This sort of thing happens to those of us playing tennis at the Fort Greene Courts on occasion. Kids throw rocks at the courts while people were playing. Some even threw rocks at a guy walking his dog. The kids need some structured activities--b/c either mom is working in the afternoons or just doesn't have any idea what to do with the kids. We can whine about it all we want but in this case, there really is a somewhat simple solution, get pols to put more resources into afterschool programs for kids in low income areas. THis sort of thing DOES work to reduce mischief and even crime, petty or not, committed by young juveniles in the afterschool hours.
laughinglikemad, put your pathetic racism card back in your pocket. pronto. since when are any of those terms racist?
When you hear about people hacking at each other with machetes, how can you not think about Rwanda? What a horrible, horrible story.
As for structured afterschool activity, this happened in the morning, and I'd be willing to bet that the crew with the big knives hadn't seen the inside of a classroom in many, many days.
structured afterschool activites would address the softball incident at morningside park. afterschool programs can also prevent kids from joining gangs and give them something else to do. once they are joined to a gang, they are more likely to cut school or drop out and be out machete-ing people on subway platforms in the morning.
I absolutely agree w/ the afterschool programs, but a) this was between 6 and 8pm, after most school programs would end, and b) they didn't seem like the type of kids who frequent school much anyway. Guess it all goes back to the parents =\
Probably got their machetes from their parents, at least they're killing their own people , we could use less of them anyway.
ignore the troll...
Don't play softball near those people then. Play in Central Park instead
If you want a date, we were lambasting 'merciless Indian Savages' in the Declaration of Independence.
C'mon, really. 'Savages' is about as subtle as a shiv.
Anyhow. Not going to occupy the board, though it has the makings of an interesting discussion. E-mail me if you've got any other thoughts.
I'd like to think that I can play anywhere in our "safe" city. Also, we didn't choose that park. The league tells us where to play each week.
a savage is an uncivilized person.
a person who murders another person with a machete qualifies by most standards. one usually consults a dictionary if they are unsure of meaning, not the declaration of independence.
laughinglikemad, you could probably make anything sound racist if try hard enough, but did you ever hear that story about the boy who cried wolf?
WOW! I expected someone getting stabbed or something but a full on machete? Feels like home. How in the hell do you hide one without being blatantly obvious? I have tried before (never actually venturing outside with one) and was never able to keep it in one place.
I find most of these comments downright depressing. I work with young people in underserved communities and their lives are no picnic. In most instances they are doing what ANY group of young people would do brought up in similar conditions. A good number endure stresses by the time they are 18 that can only be understood by soldiers in combat. Most are nonetheless nonviolent and would never hurt or harass anyone.
To the person upset about Morningside Park -- I'm actually pleased that someone challenged your (apparently) unwitting gentrification, even if I would have suggested a better way of going about it. But where else are low-income young people supposed to go? Chelsea Piers?
...with a machete.
that's just... a machete?
it's that freaking XBox, i tell you.
kids these days with their Xbox.
"Nah, kid. We gon' machete that muhfucka."
For real, though.
...with a machete.
that's just... a machete?
it's that freaking XBox, i tell you.
kids these days with their Xbox.
"Nah, kid. We gon' machete that muhfucka."
For real, though.