Gothamist: Threat Of Subway Photo Ban Riseth Again

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Kevin Walsh

Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:45:51 -0500

Can the MTA Board be recognized? It's cold in December and they will be wearing top coats over their signed John Ashcroft sweat shirts. But seriously, the only thing these guys care about is money. If the MTA bans my camera, I'm taking the subway less and walking more, and not renewing my Transit Museum membership. Yeah, like that's going to scare 'em. But at least I'll be doing what I can. www.forgotten-ny.com

Captain Midnight

Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:55:12 -0500

Instead of a flash mob in the subway system, I suggest that we accept the will of the MTA Board and redirect our photography elsewhere. Like maybe at the Board itself. Follow them wherever they go and photograph them, their friends, and their families in all sorts of situations, compromising and otherwise. Become their paparazzi. They may eventually see the light after seeing too many flashes.

Kevin Walsh

Sat, 04 Dec 2004 19:41:44 -0500

I remain convinced it's more about the MTA trying to protect their moneymaking ability than it is about "homeland security." The MTA wants its cut from images of the subways and properties. They don't make a dime from nycsubway.org, nycrail.com or Forgotten NY. No money, no pictures. The police are only too happy to cooperate; my thinking is the NYPD is unhappy with picture taking of any kind, other than the usual tourist highlights. When one of my friends got stopped, he was told "go take pictures of squirrels." Railfans and urban explorers are exhibiting 'aberrant' behavior. You're not supposed to notice things, you're not supposed to linger, you're not supposed to be curious. Put your head down, hustle to work and make money. That's what the new New Yorker post 9-11 is supposed to be about. www.forgotten-ny.com

Millard F. Mann

Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:11:12 -0500

I have been twice told by police that photos on the subway are illegal. I argued with one and showed her the rules but she just repeated her "You need to go to the ticket agent to get a permit" gibberish. Does anyone realistically think that such a ban would keep an unscrupulous person from getting the pictures desired anyway? Why not ban pictures from the top of the Empire State Building? A policman uptown saw me taking pictures of an apartment building and told me that it was illegal to take pictures in the city! This has gotten totally out of hand and the MTA is just contributing to the hysteria but pulling this back-end maneuver. Don't they have something more constructive to do with their time?

Frank

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:32:22 -0500

Not to dump on Glenn, but part of it may depend on whether you're looking for something, and part of it may also have to do with whether or not its memorable. I could ask whether or not you saw anyone in the subway wearing blue in the last three months, and you could fake a yes, being confident you probably had, but if I were to ask for specifics it would break down. I suggest, however, that we find out Glenn's transit habits and start taking lots of pictures, since this may help prove the righteousness of the cause. :-)

metoo

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:20:41 -0500

I saw a man taking pictures the other day in the subway - definitely a tourist. He was yelled at halfway down the platform by a cop and was told that it is illegal to take pictures in the subway. I personally felt like it had more to do with his race then the pictures, but that's just me. I felt like bad mouthing the cop and stating the MTA ban as my back-up, but decided against letting my anger get the best of me, for the man..him and his FAMILY got on the next train heading into midtown.

crabbe

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:06:55 -0500

FYI, Glenn, people who may not take pictures on the subway themselves are protesting because they're concerned about creeping authoritarianism. You couldn't take pictures of the subways in the USSR for "security" reasons either.

hijiki

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:45:30 -0500

by glenn's 'logic', i should forfeit my right to trial by jury since i'm not using that right anyway. or at least because glenn hasn't personally witnessed me exercising that right in court.

lia

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:39:14 -0500

FYI, Glenn, I take photos on the subway all the damn time, as do at least half of my friends.

plemeljr

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:37:02 -0500

(sorry about all of the trackbacks - blogging software gone crazy!) Glenn - can you be at all places at all times? Who are you to say that because you haven't seen anyone taking photographs that no one will be affected by the ban? I know (from personal experience) that subway photography continues. Afterall this photo would be banned as well as this one and as well as this photo, besides countless others. Some of us like to take photos in the subway, and in fact try to make some sort of personal expression through photography (which last I heard was protected).

John McCrory

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:34:53 -0500

Protests are all well and good, but it is essential to send in your public comments and to lobby the MTA board members to vote against the proposed ban. Perhaps collectively, photobloggers could find connections to these board members and try to determine how they intend to vote on this measure and keep a public scorecard on the web. Authorities like the MTA don't get enough scrutiny. It's time to shine a public light on them and their activities.

Glenn

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:21:48 -0500

Since the last protest over the ban, I've noticed exactly zero persons excercising their right to take photos in the subway. Basically, a subway photo ban isn't going to impact anybody because nobody has bothered to excercise this right in the first place. I have a feeling that people want to protest for the sake of protesting, not because they give a shit about snapping photos. But go ahead and fight the man if you must, but if you do I hope I see you and your cameras way more often. It'll make your protests much more meaningful.

Jimmie

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:14:57 -0500

Perhaps a protest is in order, but I'm not convinced that 'multiple location flash mobs' might be effective. If anything, it might be even more justification to put a ban in place. I think objection should come from more 'influential' voices - such as pro photographers and the press.

corie

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:56:41 -0500

multiple location flash mobs might make sense.

yp

Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:21:15 -0500

Agreed. Time for a protest.