Panties story and Naked Boys Singing story.

Wasn't there a "the singing bush" in The Three Amigos!

"the prices are actually about the same as what you'd pay on neighborhoodies"

Exactly. They are pricing these "protest" items on the same scale as items you get at for profit retailers. Sorry, but I don't accept that the huge margins are excusable as a non-profit excercise. It's simply another group spinning politics for personal profit... Oh... Sorry, "to support our cause".

no, it's because there are argumentative lunatics out there who only care about winning an argument rather than discovering truth. i don't want to be bothered, that's all. trust me, there's no fear... but tell me, where exactly did i "complain about people publically posting opinions"? did ya make that one up too?

it's more cowardly to hide inside your personal email than to debate the facts in public.

it's also very cowardly to avoid admitting you are wrong by pointing out another person's spelling errors instead of sticking to the topic. (btw, could you spell 'publicly' for me?)

the prices are actually about the same as what you'd pay on neighborhoodies

"there's a reason people don't post real emails."

Yes, because they have no spine and can't deal with people one on one.

If you complain about people publically posting opinions yet cannot even deal with them on a one-on-one level in e-mail, then you are a coward and nothing else.

If there is one thing I learned from this week of protests is there are a lot of babies and social retards out there.

ok, you win. game over. i misspelled a word.

why in the world would i ever want to receive emails from someone like you? ha! there's a reason people don't post real emails. you can argue yourself in circles all you want but it's a joke to the rest of us.

"swollowing"

You should learn how to spell. It will make people take you more seriously.

Also, my e-mail is real--unlike yours--so please e-mail me in private if you want to continue this discussion. Or share recipes.

Peace out!

read the bottom of the page, folow the links, they give you plenty of info and some examples of how they spend the money.

now let's compare the repercussions of 'swollowing their claims' to those of swollowing the claims of the people they protest. that's where perspective comes in (ie, my first comment). 100's of dollars for some panties vs billions of dollars for 10s of thousands dead and a world that hates america.

nobody is blindly following this group anywhere. they are selling undergarments. i doubt many folks that bought them mind where the money goes. they are buying a product. yeah, i think it's dumb too, but you'd have to work pretty hard to turn that into some pied piper out to profiteer and mislead. you can target this little organization all you want, but i think there are more important atrocities at work?

I read the posts. I went to their site. And it's really not clear what they do. That's the truth. Vague intonations towards "voter awareness". But you know what? That could simply mean that the act of selling overpriced rags is a way towards "voter awareness".

My apologies if I don't swallow their claimed intentions blindly. I have actually worked in the small press and alternative world and know tons of people who obscured their intentions and pocketed profits for their own personal gain.

For what it's worth blindly following anything is simply naive. Blindly following Bush is dumb. So is blindly following anti-Bush people.

no need to apologize dazzle, i'm not confused. but let me help you with your reading problem once again. when did anyone say you couldn't question their intent? hmm, guess you made that up. it's really sad you need to play the 'freedom of speech' card when nobody is even trying to censor you.

now you claim you were just asking basic questions... why did you put non-profit in quotes? you accused these people of profiteering, you called them nothing but marketers, you went to the trouble to copy their prices and post them here, but why didn't you bother to read about them enough to find out where the money goes? all you have to do is read their web site. gothamist even provided a link for you. but you prefer to throw blind, empty accusations instead.



i guess i missed the part where 'blind true believers' lashed out at your 'questions.'

"you have no viability when you go and attack some tiny peaceful group claiming 'obscene profit margins' when you don't even bother to find out who they are and where the money is going."

Actually, my initial questions were basically that. Who are they other than underwear merchants and where are their high margins going. I was asking basic and obvious questions and was met with the lashing back of blind true believers who seem to be only cyncical towards those who they politically oppose.

Sorry to confuse you, but I don't blindly accept that people who are ideologically similar to me are somehow inherently altruistic. I think lessons learned after 9-11 prove that even the most altruistic groups can take advantage of a situation to make money. As many good groups as there were post 9-11, there were many who were corrupt as well.

If the very high margins on these panties and thongs and other underwear are really being used for good reasons to support real efforts, more power to them. But questioning their intent is not wrong. And is valid. Freedom of speech is a bitch like that.

dazzle, as you've demonstrated time and again this week, you have a pathetic way of twisting an argument to say whatever you want it to say regardless of what the actual argument is. you're whining about a tiny group making enough money to support and carry on their non-profit efforts while they protest a regime that is capitalizing on death. clearly this isn't just about one group simply making "more profits" as you try to reduce my argument to. one is making billions of dollars off of death and war where the other is raising funds in the hundreds (at most!) to further a non-profit by selling undergarments to locals who can afford them. don't like the price tag? fine, you're not being forced to purchase anything. you are, however, being forced to pay to kill people over seas.

i never said you couldn't question their methods now did i (there you go shoving words in my mouth yet again)?? but i do have just as much of a right to point out your absurd attempt at reasoning as you do to question their methods. you have no viability when you go and attack some tiny peaceful group claiming 'obscene profit margins' when you don't even bother to find out who they are and where the money is going.

and the street vendor 9-11 thing is, again, capitalising on the deaths of others to put money into individual pockets. there's no comparison between that and a non-profit political action group. you're just lost in your own ideology and spewing your misinformed rants in these forums.

JT, perhaps that is true. But usually groups don't sell "protest" materials for that high a margin. It's really a bit much.

hijiki, this isn't an issue of "Well, others make MORE profits". But it's simply an expensive method of protest compared to others. Just because someone is doing something that agrees with your politics does not mean their methods cannot be questioned.

I find it funny how some people--even here on Gothamist--complained about street vendors selling 9-11 themed merchandise as being oppotunists, yet some are blindly accepting similar behavior of anti-Bush people selling their wares.

dazzle, i think it's kinda lame too, but get some perspective. you're whining about the little grassroots group selling underpants in their own town instead of the multi-billion dollar corporation using their presidential ties to capitalize on trans-atlantic war and human death. obscene profit margins... please!

Dazzle, I'm not familiar with that particular organization, but a nonprofit organization doing something like that would use the money (beyond the price of production/distribution) to fund its programs, rather distributing it to any indvidual or investor as profit.

JT

"hey guys -- Axis of Eve is a non-profit."

How does that explain the quite outrageous prices on the goods? One pair of boxers does not cost $9 to make even if it is silk screened. Where does the money go in this "non profit"?

hey guys -- Axis of Eve is a non-profit.

They are a not for profit voter mobilization organization. So you can quit yer whining about the prices and go back to ogling pictures of scantily clad girls...like me.

ciao,

-lexi

Dazzle! did i say anything about altruism?

um... NO!

i said they were rockin' it - see the photo for what i meant - and then i think i said let 'em hawk their clever knickers!

i'm assuming they're having fun and making money. you know how it is, our economy allows you to charge whatever the market supports and if you don't like what someone's selling or the price they're selling at, don't buy it. i didn't.

Here are my photos from the event. Triumph the Insult Comic Dog makes an appearance!

http://www.gothampixel.com/expose.html

Rion, so a bunch of women decided to get scantilly dressed and now they are making a political statement at the following prices:

THONGS & FLATS = $13

HOT SHORTS = $14.50

TANKS = $18.50

BABY SUITS = $14

BOXERS = $9

Those are obscene profit margins for an effort that is supposedly altruistic.

They are admirable marketters of goods, and not much else.