Early Protesters Set The Tone

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11:00pm Friday night and already arrests.

This was for the monthly Critical Mass ride. I wonder how many friends and co-workers were arrested??

All you people are so whack. The fuzzy-headed protesters attacking Jennifer, the people with the mangled spelling, and the perverts wanting more genitals. Who the f*** wants to see these hippie freaks naked? Gross! Kottke is the only one who makes any sense. Why the pixelation?

Well "tired", IMO: "methinks thou dost protest too much".

Honestly, I'm not bashing you, It's not like you put the "ass-kissery" comment up (Well, I hope not!), but you seem to be holding Jen to standards that Don't seem to exist. Starting with "so tired of the lame editorial tone" was hardly constructive critism.

"the tone would be one that would be representative of the city"? I'm a native New Yorker and I have abosolutly no idea what such a "Tone" would be. I'm still trying to figure out how she's being provincial... If you ran Gothamist How would you have put it?

Janine: was avoiding a link, mostly because my blog has nothing to do with my desire to comment here (I don't run a blog criticism blog as it were). But if you want to give me notes, they are welcome.

I completely reject the 'aw shucks, it's just a blog' excuse, because there is some attendant promotion and aspiration evident. If Gothamist purports (inherently -- it's called Gothamist for a reason, right?) to reflect the city, and eschews an overt editorial stance, then maybe we can expect the tone would be one that would be representative of the city, and I happen to think it falls short. Gothamist may be the best known blog about New York -- good for them. But if comments are going to remain open and I think I have qualified comments, I'll make them. I don't obsess about the quality here, but, as a regular reader, once in a while I feel like sticking my neck out (and boy does that make enemies quickly). Perhaps this post wasn't the best recent example, though my comments are indicative of a thought that recurs. Sorry for being an elistist, but if this is going to be the best known NY blog, I'm going to hope for a little more from it.

I can't wait for all the policy changes that will result from these protests. Keep up the good work, people, you are truly changing the system. Oh, and while you're there, can you score me some bud?

everyone going to the sunday march is not gathering right at 14th street. The organized labor contingent is a gathering at 22nd street, that's where I will be with my union, for example. This is how it is done for big marches.

"As for issues with us using the Post as a source - I see what you mean, but it is a necessary evil. The Post has an aggressive team of reporters (as the Daily News, Newsday, and Times also do) who try to get all the stories that make up the city. And many times the Post's stories are AP stories, which are pretty straightforward."

A necessary evil pretty much Sums it up. They have some good people writing there (I used to work for a Financial Manager who wrote there) but then they pull something like The Suicide Photo and completly blow it for me. I refused to even go to the Web Site for several weeks. In either case, your free to pull from any source you want. The people commenting her (Me included) are just guests and Guests shgould mind there Manners or just leave.

Tim, you can find your uncensored naked hippy photos over at indymedia.org. Go crazy.

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/103427/index.php

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/103375/index.php

If you don't like it, read your news elsewhere.. Jen and Jake work really hard to put this damn thing together.

And please don't link to any more blogs in this section. Here's a hint: no one fucking cares. If you want someone to read your shit, buy an ad or a link.

My thoughts exactly.

I work down from Union Square: it's pretty Small. If they have a really Big crowd, the Streets will be blocked by people overflowing off the sidewalk. Honestly, I don't get it, How is that preferable to Keeping people in a larger contained place like Central Park?? Evern Battery park is bigger...

What I am wondering is: isn't Union Square a pretty small place for so many protesters to end up? Can you really imagine more than, say, 10-20,000 people in that area?

Well, fine. Send us the link to your insightful blog where you get absolutely nothing wrong. (though I still don't think jen wrote anything misleading in the first place) I promise to read it with an open mind. (I'm always looking for more procrastination opportunities) Oh wait, you don't have one, do you? You prefer to just go around Dale Peck-ing everyone else's work.

No wait, before you post the link, show us where jen calls the nude protest anarchic.

if you look at the reverse angle of this image, you can obviously tell these people support bush.

Janine: A segue is a segue, so if you are calling it that, then there is a contextual relationship between successive sentences, not a disjunction. Perhaps you meant to call it a non sequiter.

Now that Gothamist has spawned a series completely undifferentiated co-blogs, perhaps it is misplaced that I charged them with being painfully white-bread, midwestern and uninteresting. But maybe they could give the 'gothamist' URL to someone who writes in a way that is a semblance of what makes us different from the inevitable Atlantist?

And, jp, sure, having a job is the perfect excuse for lazy writing.

The Gothamist writers are all unpaid and have day jobs, so are not out covering the news on the scene. I think Gothamist does a good job of rounding up news stories and interesting tidbits -it is what it is.

I'm sorry, but we are ALL missing the BIG POINT here... namely, where can one find more photos of the nude protest? ( :>) )

Well, I'm always happy to see that there's discussion generated over how the media is handling coverage of protesters and the convention, etc. I know that many of you don't agree with how we may handle some stories, but that's what the comments are for. The more constructive, the better!

I personally think the banner and naked protests are brilliant, barring injury etc...because they're these concentrated moments of extreme disruption. And I think Commissioner Kelly was speaking pre-emptively about anarchy.

As for issues with us using the Post as a source - I see what you mean, but it is a necessary evil. The Post has an aggressive team of reporters (as the Daily News, Newsday, and Times also do) who try to get all the stories that make up the city. And many times the Post's stories are AP stories, which are pretty straightforward.

Okay, I see the spelling errors but chalk it up to anger. Jen and co run as tight a ship as any this side of Denton and there's no reason to direct all mainstream media hatred onto her. ...so ANGRY...

I agree! Gothamist please stop acting like a blog in your blog. Never ever post anything unless you check with "so tired" first. I mean, you have a heavily visited blog which means you've been doing everything wrong the whole time.

Next, on to reading comprehension. No one called seven people anarchic. It's a segue to a link to another article. (Before you blow up, read it again...slowly)

Finally, our politics are probably very similar "so tired." I like to think we lefties are above ad hominem attacks.

(You will call my reading comprehension thing an ad hominem attack but you will be wrong because it's based on an objective reading of you're post and Gothamist's post. An attack of that sort would be something like: I'm glad you just bought your first Naom Chomsky book! While I'm the intro was enlightening, maybe you could try reading the whole thing. ...and wash that Che t-shirt!)

there is a much bigger discussion here than the protestors. really, what has Gothamist become now that it's not really a little blog, what with the dozens of people who write, the multiple cities and the advertising. I liked Gothamist when they told me about cool restaurants and interesting tidbits about NY. I can read the Post on the subway, I don't need to have it rehashed here.

BRING GOTHAMIST BACK!!!

"Gothamist is what it always has been. Lame and limp. And filled with blatant ass-kissery"??

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Dude, It's a Blog for Crying out loud!

It's

Honestly, If you don't like it, go somewhere else... margaretcho.com is pretty interesting...

Well, IMO, I don't think her tone was provincial or over the top. I just wish Jen would stop using a Rag like the NY Post for reference (I stoped considering them a "Newspaper" after they put Diana Chien's Suicide closeup on the Front page. No doubt her family appreciated their daughters last momemts Splashed on the Sunday Edition of the post...)

Also: Must be odd writing in the 3rd person...

;)

Back on topic:

Ray Kelly is worried: These types of protest use valuable police manpower. He's preparing for the worst and doesn't appreciate distractions. IMO, the Naked Protestors were Non-Violent and not Anarchic and effective at delevering the message.

I'm certainly sorry the police Officer fell thru the Skylight (Good luck making assault stick...)

and I'm certain that was Un-intended by the protestors. (Note: I'm biased, I have family who are Police Officers)

"so tired", when push comes to shove Gothamist strives to refer to itself in the third person while avoiding commitment to any issue on any level. They also avoid "offending" anyone at any turn lest they piss off someone that could help their social climbing aspirations.

Gothamist is what it always has been. Lame and limp. And filled with blatant ass-kissery.

I know what Gothamist should do during the RNC. Shutting up shop and going away!

Hey, you guys missed the march last night from 59th street to Union Square.

Photos here:

http://www.mtude.com/gallery/RNC2004-0826

Let the fun times begin.

What's with the pixelized butts? Mainstream media in the U.S. sucks because they treat people like children who can't handle a little nudity. As an alternative media source, how about putting up the uncensored photo?

Well, they wanted attention to there cause...

Everyone says it, but I'll say it again. Could you, for a sec Jen, try not to be so damn provincial? Didn't you grow up here? Or maybe take a damn journalism class. Seven people dropped trou on 7th Avenue and you think the police commissioner should be worried? Or are you classifying seven naked people as being 'anarchic' because they didn't file a press release first (and they probably did)? Maybe you need to go and start OrangeCountyist.