wow, your are not only fascist, youre also a complete dork. bravo.

I suppose I would have been on the same side as the Crusaders, but hopefully the United States of America will fare better than the various Christian kingdoms and principalities instituted around Jerusalem.

As for comparing me to a Nazi, you're fairly good with words for a drooling imbecile. Does Godwin's Law come into effect now, Jen & Jake? If so thanks for handing me a victory, John, you sister-humping twit.

http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html

sterling, what are you talking about? wasn't me bro, i am completely apolitical. don't rope me into this nonsense. i have no world views other than what happens inside the bathrooms of 4 times square.

but yeah, what john said.

Sterling - Why don't you use your cyber-reporting skills to try to compose a balanced and objective post?

There's still time to save yourself -- unless all you right-wingers prefer to be on the wrong side of history again. You might actually enjoy the company of Christian Crusaders and Nazis in hell.

I have it on good authority - because he just IMd me and bragged about it - that YouEssOvEh is actually that runty little scamp, Andrew Krucoff. He was just trying to get my goat.

Oh: that Bergen County sleighbells line was over the top.

Oh please, can you honestly say you think Moore is a philanthopist? Be reasonable.

And Moore is a member of the media. It is impossible to deny that. Whether he is saying the same thing as a Fox News anchor is beside the point. His "news" is as biased as everyone else's, regardless of political affiliation.

And I'm not crying fowl that Moore is getting his views out there and making money - good for him. That's fine. I don't like his message. I won't see the movie (which I'll admit is unfair, b.c I am judging him).

It bothers me because I would be surprised if this movie, which even critics who liked it said was not as good as Columbine, was the really the best reel of film delivered to Cannes this year. I would hope that everyone on this board would be intelligent enough to realize that no matter what Tarantino says, some politics were at play here.

Bottom line - we'll never agree, but if you can spew your left wing nonsense, I can spew my right wing nonsense.

YouEssOvEh: Yes, I do think he would have preferred cities with a more conservative population be attacked, rather than NYC and DC. That's what the quote says - I don't know how else to interpret it. Why would you suggest I'm nutty for reading it that way, rather than agreeing that Moore is nutty and vile for writing it in the first place? I'm not putting words in his mouth.

I'm sure that many in Europe hate how American culture has seeped into their own. At some level we all hate change because it disturbs our comfort. But nobody gets to live in the world they grew up in - everything changes. Maybe Europe should be more concerned with the proliferation of mosques than McDonald's.

for all of you moore haters who think he's anti-american...see "the big one." compassionate job conservation! made in 92 or so its still extremely relevant and makes great points about how Moore himself has become part of his own pr.

ps sterling is unstable, just ignore his baiting.

oops, "foul"

exactly true. its funny how conservatives cry fowl when a leftist uses the media to both propagate their views and make money at the same time.

I don't think so. If Moore were a member of the same media he's be a fear-mongering news anchor on Fox. Instead he's out making movies and winning Oscars and Palme D'ors.

He's quite unlike everyday news media because, the fact of the matter is, he actively questions and criticizes the policies and practiices of our CEO in chief and the members of Bush's board.

Moore actually hired news gatherers to go into Iraq and get real footage of the effects of war. This is something our own major news outlets have been too sheepish to do. They broadcast only what Rove approves.

And as for Moore raking in millions, he certainly didn't start out that way. What's shameful about making money from his work while still being committed to his guiding principles, i.e., helping those who can't help themselves?

And who says he isn't a philanthropist who puts his money where his mouth is? If he made so much $$ from "Bowling" and he were satsified with that alone, then why is he out there making another movie so soon?

If I had to choose between Moore's brand of massaging the "truth" and that of say, Clear Channel, FOX News, Rush Limbaugh etc, I would pick Moore.

Has anyone here read 1984?

QUOTE FROM TARANTINO:

"All that mattered was the reels of film. I told Michael Moore last night we all agreed that Fahrenheit 9/11 was the best feature in competition."

MOORE'S RESPONSE: according to Tarantino, was "that means more to me than anything. If I wanted to make political statements, I would have run for office. I want to make movies".

That's an important distinction. Moore, as we all should realize, is an entertainer. As we continue to argue about this, he is making what he admits are comedies. And he makes millions doing it. He talks about how it's so easy for the media to mislead America - - he is a member of that same media!

And as we all sit here and argue about this, our friend Mr. Moore, so-called crusader for the poor, continues to rake in millions. He is an entertainer. He makes comedies. He admits it. He is part of the media he so quickly rips apart. Americans are easily mislead? He is a misleader.

sterling, your obsession over moore's "9/11 location choice" quote is baffling. it's practically meaningless. you can't possibly believe he actually wanted american cities with a more conservative population to be attacked. (huh? like what the hell would that actually do?) c'mon guy, that's ludicrous and it now makes me wonder about the basis of anything you say. whether you like his tone/ideas or not, moore infuses wit into his invectives and he's merely making an observation to the point of absurdity to get a reaction. how could you possibly not see that?

and banker, shmanker. real "world traveler" you are. did you stay in the dresden hostel? look, the basis of anti-americanism throughout the world is our country's arrogance that american lives are more valuable than anyone else's. it's our importing of the rest of the world's money to our shores and the exporting of our culture to them. sterling, you of all people should understand the love a person has for their own culture. your hometown pride swells so much you had a freaking blog solely about new jersey! your jingoism rings like the bells you wear on an open-sleigh ride through bergen county. face it dude, the international community HATES how their cultures have been co-opted by crap americanism, not to mention our disproportionate wealth. is this the price of democracy and freedom? was the grand vision of the framers to have a free nation of overweight people who don't know anything about the town next to them, much less other countries?

but let's face it, we are all somewhat guilty in this. none of us would dream have living without simple luxuries and the basic quality of life of our nation's poorest can seem like royal living to some other parts of the world. when it comes down to it, i guess these are just marketplace factors at work. for someone to gain, someone else has to lose. i'm not gonna bust out some rosy ideal of the world as a hippie commune in vermont but the richer/fatter we become, the more devasting the effects are to the rest of the world. and the arrogance and the jealousy and the hating and the war will never end...

sorry, this doesn't end on a happy note.

Sterling..Have you considered the possibility that your precious bodily fluids may have been impurified?

Doctor Memory, I just finished reading the article at that link you posted. Great link. I had just finished reviewing a class on politics and mass media before I saw Bowling, so I noticed that Moore had massaged the Willie Horton ads. I did not, however, think that it might be a running theme throughout the movie. I know you can't trust everything you read on the net but as with the Horton ad there were enough things that upon closer inspection just didn't ring true, and to a certain extent seemed deceptive. When pols run ads you pretty much take everything at face value because you know they're all shills. But when a "man of the people" starts fabricating "facts", it kind of feels like a certain level of trust has been violated.

Never mind Moore.

The biggest news of the award ceremony was that Oldboy took home the Grand Prix. The French critics TRASHED the film, as did Roger Ebert (a friend of the octopus, clearly). What matters most. . ..

It's a great great film. Filmbrain's review.

1) They're not investment bankers, they're BANKERS - commercial and retail.

2) You're a nasty little cuss, Simon, ain'tcha? You c'mere - try to give me a kick in the balls and I'll show you something.

Ahh yes, going to Germany and Switzerland to meet with investment bankers. Now thats seeing the world and meeting different people, learning about new cultures. BARF