The Daily News reported that the MTA will build only a limited line ("miniline") of the Second Avenue subway that may start construction later this year. The line will run from 96th to 72nd, then goes towards Broadway to pick up Times Square. The stops include 96th, 86th and 72nd Streets, then 63rd St. and Lexington Ave. (at the F), then stops along Broadway. The MTA says construction could take 7 years, which probably means it'll be ready in 8-10. But Gothamist did like the Daily News' description of the miniline - "stubway."
For more information on the Second Avenue Subway project, look at the MTA's site; here's a list of all proposed stations. New York magazine featured the Second Avenue Subway on its cover a few weeks ago, with a map of what it means for neighborhoods along the soon-to-be line.
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Saves Money while still serving the needs of the Area. Sounds like a good plan to me.
I just wonder about the disruption to 2nd Ave. How will they build the subway? In Archive Pictures they show them ripping apart whole streets, digging way down and shutting off the entire Avenue. Do they have other techniques to avoid this?
Hmmm lets see . . . From 5th Ave on
5th, Madison, Park, Lex, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, York??
remember to add East End after York above 79th street.
The MTA says that they'll use deep bore tunneling beneath 2nd Ave, but cut-&-cover would have to be used for the excavation & construction of the stations themselves. Hopefully those in proximity to the proposed stations (who'll face the most disruptions of all) will reap the most benefits after it's built.
I wonder what the two Second Avenue trains will be called. The only numbers left are 0 and 8, and the only remaining letters are H, I, K, O, P, T, U, X, and Y.
Hmm, what color will it be?
They already have used blue (A,C,E), orange (B,D,F,V), light green (G), dark green (4,5,6), brown (J,M,Z), gray (L,S), yellow (N,Q,R,W), red (1,2,3,9), and purple (7).
I personally think that the Second Avenue line should be a seafoam green/teal color. The Hanover Square-bound train could be the X-Train, and the Brooklyn-bound train could be the Y-Train.
Queer Eye: Light Green is already the G. Numbers are reserved for the old IRT lines (A Division), this will be a BMT/IND-style line (B Division), and will have a number. The MTA is hinting at baby blue, with a T designation for the full-length SAS.
you know, i really do not get this project...
why second avenue?
why not further east where there's absolutely no public transportation?
and why does it completely ignore everything below 14th street using only stations that already have trains and are too crowded?
i mean, why does the 2nd ave F stop need MORE people in it?
god forbid anything ever happens in that station, with only two forms of egress (aka exits) people will be seriously hurt, i mean, have you ever been on that platform when an F and a V come in at the same time?
helllooooo sardines!!!!
anyway, thats all i'm saying, why not just a REAL east side subway line that would be just west of the FDR or something
i think this line just stinks!
1)I'm kind of stoked, since 63rd/Lex is my stop. Of course, who the hell would go to the suburban reaches of the upper east side? On second thought, I hate this idea.
2) But it'll divert a bunch of 456 riders? That's fine. I like it.
3) Of course, they'd never cut back on 456 trains, the way metrocard machines would never lead to layoffs of ticketbooth people. Hate it.
4) G train? What's the G train?
Jason: I already said that the G was light green...(re-read my post)!
Teal is a deep greenish-blue, and seafoam is similar to a lighter version of teal but with a bit more green. Those aren't the same as "light green"!
However, baby blue also sounds like a good choice--
The T line? Let's hope it runs better than the T in Boston...
i thought i saw a G train once.
and the crowding on the 2nd avenue F platforms is NOTHING compared to the lexington avenue station. they had to put RAILINGS up next to the escalators decades ago. it's sad that the poor von dutchers have to wait an extra minute to get to their rheingold beers. aw.
i wish they'd make the G train seafoam green. it would remind me of my prom date - she never showed up.
one night i was waiting for a G, i had transferred from the L at lorimer. the train still hadn't come and it had been an hour and a half when someone came up to me and relayed this cryptic (but sadly true) comment:
"you know why they call it the G train?"
"hunh?"
"the G train is the ghost train."
then he walked away into the darkness, and i never saw him again. and i never took the G again, either.
Light blue would be a revival of a previously used color, since that was the hue of the Train to the Plane circle. Had an image of a train in the middle rather than a letter or a number. The color would be a fine choice for Second Avenue, I think.
I believe the MTA has already settled on T. Probably, I, O, P and X will never be used.
As for a color, light blue has not been used since 1978 (on the M), so that's what I'd do.
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Ah, colors and letters:
1. Baby blue would be lovely. I love that color and a nice pastel touch is precisely what the MTA needs. There is still room for black, pink (pastel, not hot, please), um what else.
2. T is satisfactory. The MTA--and everyone generally--should avoid O and 0 becuase they lead to confusion. Think about the tourists, and then the foreign language tourists.
3. I've taken the G train once--it rocks: a bunch of ghosts on board.
Dunno about the T or whatever that will follow down the new line to do lower manhattan, but i'd imagine that the broadway line would be a Q, which would logically continue on past it's current termination point at 57th street.
Does anyone know weather the new trunk line will be 2 or 4 tracks??
The plans call for two-track service. Some lengths of the subway would have 3 or 4 tracks for layups, train maneuvering, and the like.
The plans call for two-track service. Some lengths of the subway would have 3 or 4 tracks for layups, train maneuvering, and the like.
The plans call for two-track service. Some lengths of the subway would have 3 or 4 tracks for layups, train maneuvering, and the like.