Mayor Bloomberg's Big Move

This is not just about the school system. This is about the ethics of a mayor who fires people SOLELY to get what he wants. Read this quote (from NY1 News):

"I got as much input as I could

from everybody," Bloomberg said

Monday evening after altering the

board. "A few of the members

didn't agree or were afraid that

they would be pressured by

outsiders, and so I replaced them

with people who agree with my views."

Regardless of whether Bloomberg was right or wrong about how to handle social promotion, his method of getting his way was WRONG, period.

This mayor uses backhanded methods to get his way. Want to know how he got so much support for his smoking ban, property tax increases, etc? He threatened to fund the campaigns of the opposition of anyone who voted against his proposals. Nice.

I seem to recall grades - you know, F, B+, etc. - having significant impact on whether students were allowed to progress to the next grade or not. Call me old fashioned.

Shouldn't a standardized test be one of many tools used to evaluate students' progress?

I don't really understand what the problem is with holding someone back if they haven't learned. I think it gives teachers and the administration an idea of where the problems are when a large group of children can't pass a basic skills test for their grade level. (and that could be the material, the child, the program or the teacher)

I would actually like to see the entire school system run in a more Montessori type method. You can only go to the next level if you can pass the test for every subject. I know that my scores on those tests were uneven and it was obvious where I needed more work. (For some reason I was 4 grades ahead in reading and one behind in math)

But until the dream school system happens (never) I think that children should be tested every year. Why wait until 3rd grade to take care of the problem? Also the younger a student is when they are held back, the less social backlash they get from peers and the less far they have fallen behind in basic skills.

For the projected cost of Bloomberg's retention policy, funds could be used to institute smaller class size, more extended day programs, tutoring, teacher coaching/professional development. While these are not inherent remedies to the sick system (personally, I don't believe the system will ever be "fixed"), they do work toward changing how children are educated, instead of just holding them back in the same ineffective environment where they failed in the first place.

Actions do cause change. The question is what action-- and what is the plan to support the system while it is dealing with that action? The recent DOE reorganization is a prime example of that.

And Jen, you're def. right, this is a country-wide issue. I was trying to keep this in the bounds of our fine city.

And I would say again - I don't think anyone thinks that this alone will do anything. But this is hopefully the start of a string of ACTION takne by people who can really affect change.

Of course it's hard. It's hard to stand in a room full of screaming politicians and say NO to social promotion. Social promotion IS giving up on our system. Nobody thinks Bloomberg's stand on this one issue will save the system and I certainly did not imply that in my response. But all anyone does is talk and I'm giving him credit for taking action.

And I'm not saying people shouldn't fight, of course they should. They should fight with their lives if they have to b/c we're going in the wrong direction in this city. But Corie - I think you were too quick to attack Bloomberg on this. What is your suggestion? Improve resources? How? Everyone knows you have to improve resources, anyone can point out the problem. Do you have solid actionable steps to fix it?

And re: the underestimation of the kids and how they would rather watch TV than pick up a book - that's a problem that's not exclusive to the city.

I don't know if there's a winner in this situation. For every kid who was socially promoted and later dropped out, there's a kid who was held back and later dropped out.

James, that's a grave underestimation of our city's children. Yes, parents are fighting an uphill battle, but does that mean that they shouldn't fight? Furthermore, it's easy to say that society devalues education-- it's much harder to stand up and do something about it.

the problems of the educational system are indeed an uphill battle, but how does bloomberg's move help out this cause? why are we always so impressed when a politician takes an incredibly complex issue and makes a bold yet facile response to it?

Good for Bloomie - it's about time he stepped up and took action. This is a good step for the system.

Corie, your argument makes sense. Unfortunately, it's not realistic. You're not going to get good teachers and good resources because society places so little value on education. Parents who fight to get their children a good education are fighting an uphill battle. I'm not going to go on a tirade about what celebrity culture has done to America (hell, I read US weekly and the NY Post), but the reality is no child in this city would rather pick up a book than watch MTV.

If Bloomberg is going to be held responsible for what happens in schools anyway, then he might as well make sure they're following his policies. Why get blamed for other people's choices?

We should note that the DOE has "ended social promotion" before. Silver bullet, I think not.

It's school, not a social club. Yeah, the DOE has a lot of problems, and ending social promotion isn't a silver bullet, but it's a step.

Oh-- Jen, you're so right-- last night was quite a WWGD (What Would Giuliani Do?) moment.

Sadly, last night had very little to do with NYC children and everything to do with political social promotion.

The ending of social promotion is a good catch-phrase, but how it actually plays out in schools and with children is generally different and far more complicated. This is not to say that social promotion is any better-- neither SP nor retention plans are effective long-term solutions.

If we really want to fix schools and give students the education that they deserve, the DOE needs to improve instruction, provide quality support and professional development to teachers and school leaders. In short, the system needs to provide the services neccessary to educatate our children well. This is not happening equitably-- and it's the heart of the issue.

I believe it is "namby pamby" not "namby pambly."