Gothamist: Subway Shmutz

Stephen

Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:21:00 -0500

the A/C/E is awful. i've been on it several times where the high school kids are eating mcdonalds and just dump garbage on the floor. i saw one kid wait for the door to crush the soda cup on the A train in upper manhattan. it's not new cars that make the difference.. it's how much the riders act like animals. the 7 train with its ancient cars is 10 times cleaner than A,C,E,B,D

Jen

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:24:16 -0500

I agree, the stats are misleading, but since the N train (or was it R) was a runner-up in clean cars, I do think there's room for the older cars to improve. And the A/C/E are simply atrocious. Even the old Redbird 2/3s were better kept.

Track Twenty-nine

Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:58:07 -0500

Of course the IRT seems cleaner since it switched from the junky old Redbirds to the new computerized-voice trains! These statistics are somewhat misleading. The clean-car improvements coincide with the lines that just got new trains. The dirtiest lines simply have the oldest cars. I'm sure the new slick trains will be just as filthy after 20 years.