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The boyfriend of Diana Chien, the NYU student who commited suicide over the weekend, talks to the Post about his relationship with her. An investment banker, Lam mentions his love for her and plans to be married with her posthumously, which was approved by Chien's parents. Lam goes on to recount their dreams (having four children, opening a Eurasian cuisine restaurant called "Chrisdiana") and their relationship (not yet a year old, wearing Prada shoes that matched each others"). He also says that he and Chien's family are frustrated that people are using her death, the fourth NYU student death this school year, in relation to NYU: "This is not about NYU. She is not just a number or statistic - and this has nothing to do with school. This was about love." Lam does not speculate about what may have caused Chien to jump, other than say they had a fight during the morning (which seems like a lovers' quarrel).
And there is fallout over the Post's decision to reprint the photograph of Chien's fall on yesterday's cover (link to earlier post with picture). The Daily News (naturally) gets opinions from students ("It's horrible. They shouldn't have put it in. It's completely distasteful."), mental heath experts ("It's reckless."), and NYU ("It seems to show an appalling lack of judgment and insensitivity to the young woman's family and a disregard for the feelings of students at NYU."). Interesting enough, "fiance" Lam still agreed to speak with the Post about his and Chien's relationship.
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i'm not defending the post but the quotes from students and or metal health experts sound hillariously childish and naive...we live in a time when pain, humiliation, sex, and gangsterism are HUGE selling points...obviously the circulation numbers for that first paper were so huge that it warranted running it again....it's a business decision...the problem is with the public's insensitivity to pain and hurt and heartbreak...they emptied their wallets..that's that.
The story is tragic and speaks of the fraility of many amongst us. Sad to see such a young person meet her end in such tragic fashion.
I'm sure the Post had much more "insensitive" pictures they could have shown, many images from 911 could be called insensitive.
This could actually help people become more aware of their friends, loved ones, etc... and make sure they get help if needed.
you can get married to people posthumously?
Not legally in the US, so he might be asking her parents for some kind of posthumous religious ceremony.
It is, however, legal in France:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/finalword/2004-03-02-final-word_x.htm
Is it just me, or is everything about this story getting ickier the longer it goes on?
Tien, I was struck by the posthumous marriage thing too. Marilyn Monroe, here I come. How on earth is a guy supposed to consummate the marriage? Never mind, I don't think I want to know.
It's not like this is a new debate. Remember when one of the tabloids (was it Newsday?) printed the picture of Eric Clapton's child after he fell to his death? One can achieve a lot of the same emotional impact with words. And I guess I question how maximized the sensational emotional impact NEEDS to be. Photographs can paint the truth and also sensationalize. I feel as though the Post sensationalized the suicide. I saw their printing of her jump as a disrespect, just as I did with the WTC jumpers. True, they are two very different situations, however I think that both are a question of taste and ethics. The Post showed neither by printing yesterday's image.
And I'm with Tien-- how DO you get married posthumously?
insert tatseless necrophilia joke here...
I agree. This is really weird. While I feel for everyone involved in this tragic loss, the tone of the interview seems odd -- focused on fashion (his ML baseball cap, Banana Republic jacket, prada shoes) and him. What prompted him to talk to the Post or any paper about this?
Post-humous wedding? Seems like a publicity stunt.
I'm going to do the "judge a book by its cover" thinking here....look at the picture of this shmuck! What an ass. His interview with the Post confirms he's likely going to try to profit from this and gain some notoriety...let's not be surprised if he starts showing up on Fox or CNN to discuss this truly tragic event. Does anyone really believe the BS he's spewing? C'mon!!
I assume that's Diana in the picture with him. What a beautiful woman....it's awful to think that she reached such a desolate and desperate place in her life...
Prayers to her family....
I agree with regular (asian) joe -- the guy comes off as a real asshole. Given the other coverage that he was nasty to her, and the overly cutsiness of his quotes . . . he seems to be trying real hard to spin things. But -- for God's sake -- having an extensive talk with a Post reporter just shows me he doesn't give a damn about her at all . . . I mean, come on -- if you're in such grief you don't talk to the Post and act like a publicity hound.
Gosh, who would talk to the Post, grief or no grief?
And who would do it from the home of the girl's parents? How tacky.
i COMPLETELY agree with regular (asian) joe. i believe this Chris character reported to the NY Post out of desperation for publicity - to save his tarnished name and salvage whatever was left of his reputation. The fact of the matter is, the NY Post presented Diana in an overly distasteful manner, how could he even report to this publication after what they have done to her? Considering this tragic incident occurred within the last week, I cannot believe he is able to talk about such matters so easily. I am thoroughly convinced that he is disclosing A LOT of information - there must have been more than just a bookstore argument that led up to this and im sure he was somehow aware of it. these things don't just happen over a bookstore argument, there is so much more that goes on that leads up to such a decision.
It sickens me that he doesn't show any compassion or emotion for the CHien family or Diana - he doesnt express any sorrow, guilt, or remorse. The fact of the matter is, this wasnt about love. it was about the lack of love. and for him to use this as an opportunity to save himself while leaving out very important aspects of the story, that's just selfish. which is probably why this all came about anyway.
this is truly tragic.
Patrick Bateman from American Psycho anyone?
"She was wearing my Merrill Lynch baseball cap, and the white Banana Republic jacket I'd bought her. She had her white leather purse - she always wore it over her shoulder so she wouldn't be robbed. She had been wearing Prada sneakers that matched mine."
"Chien, taken to Bellevue Hospital, died later that day."
LATER?? Ack!!
I still want to know why that picture exists. It makes me think someone KNEW she was going to do it.
Someone pointed out yesterday that the Post photographer probably was listening to a police scanner and went over there. Photographers routinely cover jumper stories. This photographer was expecting the police to be able to talk her down, but unfortunately she fell.
Also, I can understand why Lam would want to humanize Chien (and himself) in an interview, but came off sounding more like rhetoric, which might be what happens in an intense, young love. And the Prada references were a turn off as well.
At the first report of a jumper -- what the NYPD calls EDPs or emotionally disturbed persons -- by regulation the NYPD has to dispatch ESU and then ESU has the ability to deploy an inflatable device that's intended to prevent the jumper from reaching the ground. Wonder if they just didn't have enough time to set it up before she jumped (it takes a little time to inflate and i don't know how long she was up there) or if response were times aren't what they should be. ESU has a divisional HQ not far from where the incident happened.
"And it's sad/funny that yesterday I was talking about how stupid/tasteless it was to talk about Diana's handbag, and then this dillweed goes on yapping about her Merrill Lynch baseball cap, Banana Republic jacket and Prada sneakers..."
You typed the words right off my fingers... or something.
Wow can this make (we) Asians look any more freakish? Matching Prada, little dogs, marrying the dead? This could have been on Sex and the City.
Sigh. Well, at least we're not Jews living in a Mel Gibson world.
Wow can this make (we) Asians look any more freakish? Matching Prada, little dogs, marrying the dead? This could have been on Sex and the City.
Sigh. Well, at least we're not Jews living in a Mel Gibson world.
i too think there is a lot more to this guy than meets the eye - have a look at his personal web page - it sort of sums it up...
http://dons.usfca.edu/lamch2/myhome/html/biography.html
This guy's got some nerve to be saying all this crap about their love and their last hours together. That what they were arguing about "wasn't important" points to something he's ashamed of, as in he was cheating on her. Look at the picture that he sent the Post! It's of him as a happy-go-lucky dude! He probably wants to get the sympathy of friends and coworkers who might have perceived him as an ass. And though he won't do it in front of her parents, he probably thinks he'll get some from girls, from this NY POST article.
whats strange is that none of diana's friends have come forward surely people around her could see that all was not what it seemed & i cant believe her parents have also had the wool pulled over the eyes - talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing - nasty lam[b]
What a really crappy thing of this guy to do.
So you guys really want a friend of Diana's perspective? I'm sickened by the Post's representation and continuous degrading of Diana and her family. I have known her family for over 15 years, and can only imagine what they are going through right now. Unfortunately I cannot even fathom what was going on with Diana and Chris those last few days, as we have drifted apart since high school. I do have to say that Diana was a great friend who was always there when you needed her, and that I will always love her.
i am sorry for your loss 'caligal' even though i am a long way away i am not detached from what you must all be goung through - 15minutes of fame can be a cruel thing - i can sense diana had a lot of style - it would seem so much more style than chris - this is a time when im sure diana would only want her friends & family to have the privacy to come to terms with her 'bold' decision about what she was going to do to be happy...
anyone who knew her knew she had so many friends. only reason why we may not be coming forward is because many of us hardly knew her anymore. he had a major influence on her choice to isolate herself from us, and to change her life. we're still grieving. and it's obvious that he's using this time to gain sympathy for himself, or to justify his side. i dont know him, but all i heard about him was that he was a controlling person. he is a jerk as you can see in that picture.
the comment prior to this one is absolutely on target. as a friend of diana's, i choose not to come forward because it is difficult to have a say in something we didn't understand. it's hard to accept this because we can't believe it.
i agree: the moment chris stepped into her life, she changed and was consumed by him. this isn't to say this is her fault, it's just that we wanted her to be happy. instead, he hurt her and made her SO MISERABLE that it led to this tragedy. i have never met him, but i do know that his influence on her was extremely poor. and it shows poor character for him to use all this publicity to gain sympathy and attempt to prevent any finger-pointing that comes his way. and i think he is also trying to fool her parents, which is highly disrespectful and just plain selfish and gross. i heard about his controlling side as well, but diana was happy with him - sometimes. if you ever talked to diana before she met him, she was the most graceful, friendly, and inspirational loving person. if you talked to her after she met him, she was still diana but more-so a product of chris' manipulation. if you read his ARTIFICIAL article, he says she was wearing HIS hat, the jacket HE bought her, and the shoes that matched HIM. diana didnt like pink and she wasn't materialistic at all. he took from her the most precious things ever: her soul, and her life.
he was the only one who could've provided her with emotional support and helped her to make her happy. that's all he had to do. and he couldn't do it, that was so selfish of him. now he's using publicity to more or less "save" him from all of this, to make him feel better and not be to blame when he most likely is.
diana did not die for love, she died because of the LACK OF LOVE - in the place she needed it the most.
he disgusts me. he is not at all apologetic for his actions. diana had to bid farewell to her life twice because of him. the one she left when she met him, and the one she left behind on march 6th.
interesting take by supposively her cousin
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=yakutadazu
i definately think there should be an INVESTIGATION about this incident, chris lam was not only abusive, he was also a PLAYER, go ahead check out his personal site, it is fill with full of his personal revelations, a true reflection to this complicated personality.
http://dons.usfca.edu/lamch2/myhome/html/favorites.html
he was shown in above link with his other girlfriend, goes by name cynthia,
now you can somehow put all pieces together and
seeing a clear picture of why shes arguing with him everyday, diana gave up everything for him, moved from la to ny, and this is how he treated her, he treated her like GARBAGE !!!!!!
diana couldnt do anything about it after seeing the real side of chris lam because shes new to the city and she doesnt wanted to give up after so much sacrifice for him, she was so miserable that up to a point where she couldnt take it anymore, she just decided to end her life
CANT YOU SEE GUYS !!!!!!
do you want a more clear picture of this evil chris lam ??
ok check this out
http://dons.usfca.edu/lamch2/myhome/html/interests.html
i suggest we write up a proposition from each one of us and demand an investigation about this incident.
every piece of this chris lam has a big "?" mark
and when you link all pieces together you can somehow get a clear picture how miserable diana felt prior to the moment she leaped off the top of the building in mahatten.
justice has to be serve for diana, and i believe it will.
This is a repost from yesterday.
I knew Diana for as long as I could remember. Our parents are best friends and we did everything together, we went on vacations, trick or treating, movies and much more. I don't have a sister, and I consider her to be one; she even called me brother. I have always admired her very much, she was so beautiful, mature, smart, and popular. She doesn't deserve to die in New York. I do blame the boyfriend for her death, it just pains me to see Diana's mom and the boyfriend Chris holding hands coming back from the airport on Monday.
But the good news is that Diana's Mom has finally come to her sense, and told Chris to go away and never come back after the funeral. I can't believe what he did the days after the Tragedy, instead of mourning for Diana, he was out playing cards, video computer, socializing, and selling his "love story" to the press while sleeping in Diana's bedroom in her parents' house! I know he maniputated Diana because he knew she was rich, he realize that he couldn't keep her for long, so he forbid her to talk to anyone or have any friends guys or girls. What kind of boyfriend is that, what kind of relationship is that?
Diana doesn't love Chris anymore, anyone could see that, why do you think she jumped when Chris was calling to her? Obviously, I couldn't get any sleep tonight, toworrow is her funeral. Diana had such a bright future, her death hasn't really register for me yet, but maybe it will toworrow at the funeral.
I went to the funeral today, there was close to 500 people there, I couldn't believe it. Then I saw Chris, that maniputative psycho, not even fit to carry Diana coffin, and standing way in the back during the ceremony. When I got close to him, I really want to jump him, but he got three body guards behind him that day. I remember two days ago, when we were having dinner, Chris stood up and announced that he wanted to be a big brother to Diana's two brother, their parents quickly yelled no, and said that after the funeral, they never want to see him again. Chris also wanted to say something at the funeral, but Diana's parents refused. I glad that diana's parents came to their senses.
After the funeral, we all went to Diana's favorite resturant, there was about 40 people there, all Diana's close friends and relatives. I sat in the table with her parents and grandparents, and the best part was, Chris wasn't invited.
I refuse to believe that Diana's death was caused over a fight about books. He maniputated Diana, made her believe that he was the only one who loved her, so when he said, "I don't love you," she believed that she had nothing to live for anymore. But the truth was so much people loved her, 500 showed up to her funeral today.
not to be callous, but:
i have dealt with and counseled the depressed and suicidal for years. i have also lived in Asia for years. i knew many spoiled, overprivilleged Taiwanese/Chinese-Americans for years.
Am I the only one that find this couple (Chris/Diana) a bit odd? I mean, I may have pricey footwear now but at 19 I certainly was not traipsing about in Prada (as mentioned in many accounts). I'm sure Diana had lots of "demons", but as most will agree a suicide is just a play for attention. Were her well-off Tivo exec dad and investment banker boyfriend not paying her enough attention? She seemed to enjoy a lot of shopping privilleges. I do wonder what was so terrible in this girl's life. Maybe someone will reveal it at some point. It would be nice because at this point it just looks like another spoiled rich kid with a Manhattan apartment, expensive clothes, etc. who broke a nail and couldn't deal with it.
OH MY GOD. are you kidding me? who the hell are you to write such an ignorant post? shes no different from that white girl in my class who comes in looking like jessica simpson every day ... louis vuitton handbag, von dutch hat, ugg boots and all. what ... because she's asian and well off ... she must be just some spoiled princess that didn't get her way? do i need to remind you the tragedy of her death? money does not make you happy ... so just because she had prada shoes does not constitute another whiny spoiled rich kid in manhatten. she was from northern california anyways. and she probably just couldn't put up with the difference of life in NY (on top of the many other things going on in her life).
let me tell you something ... you have no right to any information at all. just because you have been following depressed asians (i hope that you give them better counseling than "be grateful for what your parents have gone through") doesn't mean you own the rights to know every depressed asian's story. how dare you even "hope that someone will reveal that on here?" that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
goodness, have some respect for the girl. i don't know what she's gone through her whole life but I totally understand that sometimes, suicide seems like the only way out. ignorant people may see it as some cry for attention ... but what kind of attention do you need when you're DEAD? do you really think that's what she wanted? i'm sure that was the LAST THING ON HER MIND. i'm sure she's thought about suicide before ... and this was probably the only time she had the guts to finally put an end to her misery. inner demons never go away ... NEVER. it doesn't help to have an asshole boyfriend either ... and be stuck in a city where you feel alone.
i wish for your sake that you reconsider this subject because i have never been so disgusted in my life. a girl is dead and all you can do is wonder what daddy didn't have to offer? you need to get into another field of work, because as a "counselor," you should be able to sympathize for your counselees and not refer to them as "spoiled and overprivileged." (umm by the way you didn't even spell privileged correctly) i'm going to be a clinical psychologist and going towards my PHD and can't imagine ever having such a low regard for my patients or career. GET A LIFE. GET A NEW JOB. GROW A HEART.
From reading everything, I gather that Diana probably had a slutty past and did not want Chris to know about it. Chris felt entitled to know everything as her fiance, but Diana thought otherwise. They both probably aren't going out with any other people, that webpage is old. Diana probably loved Chris, but at the same time, didn't want to tell him anything, and killed herself over her conflicting feelings. Chris does not seem like a player at all, he prolly sacrificed a lot for her too. anyways just my 2 cents.
how can you ignorant people have the nerve to post such awful comments about diana when you don't even know her? she was not an over-spoiled child in need of attention, diana was extremely selfless. she always took care of those around her and was not materialistic at all. she honestly loved the simple things in life, and im not saying this only because she has passed. anyone who KNOWS her will vouch for her. she lived for love.
she was not slutty, nothing about her past was slutty. john, your two cents are completely worthless. if you didnt know diana, the best you should do is gather enough sense to keep your mouth shut. your opinion is not welcome.
Please be considerate about what you say, Diana's family could be looking at this forum. Thank you.
you guys are such ignorant insensitive pricks.... who are you to post your random psychoanalysis or what you imagine COULD be true? diana is my friend and trust me, her family and friends ARE reading this. you guys dont know the full story, and neither do i, but i sure as hell know more than you. no one knows the truth except diana and chris and there prolli was miscommunication between them too.
the point is, if you don't have any grounds to say something, then keep your mouth shut and please respect the ppl who actually are involved.
and please remember that all the information you are receiving is completely biased. taken from tabloids and the media who always spin stories to sell papers....and from an interview from ONLY chris... no one will ever hear diana's side of the story....
John (4.14 @4): I think you made yourself look silly by writing "from reading everything." This wasn't about Diana doing something wrong or wanting to hide something from Chris. I never knew Diana but I knew Chris and he was an asshole. He makes girls feel really really horrible and I have no doubt he caused her to feel bad enough to jump. Even if Diana had a past she didn't like or want to divulge (apologies, I don't mean to imply anything), Chris' past is FAR worse. He was controlling and abusive, and not just to his girlfriends; what I knew only scratches the surface! He was a real fucker and I feel so bad that Diana lost her life because of him. I may not have known her, but I feel very sympathetic to her situation and my thoughts go to her family and friends.
Recalling John Z's posting from 3.13 around 11pm, nothing makes me feel better than to hear that Diana's parents never want to see Chris again. I'm glad they came to their senses.
In reference to others' comments on Diana being rich and wearing Prada, etc. Chris was materialistic as hell. Despite Diana's family's money, I would really hesitate to say all those brand names that asshole read off in his interview had anything to do with Diana directly; it might have been imposed on her by Chris. BTW, that NYPost interview with him made me really sick; it was so him to try to save his skin while others are mourning and just disgusting and knowing him made it worse. Sometimes I didn't know whether to laugh with disgust or punch pillows.
John, please read better because you're obviously missing everything Diana friends and relatives have said in earlier posts. They deserve justice and peace. What happened to Diana was very very tragic and I really hope that something is done so Chris can't do this to anyone else.
Whoops.. I'm a total dumba$$; after doing just 10 seconds of research to check out whether that website http://dons.usfca.edu/lamch2/myhome/html/favorites.html
was legit or not, I find out its a FRAUD!! That isn't Chris's website. It's some poser that made the website. Chris NEVER WENT TO USF (the domain of the website). Chris attended UC Berkeley and NYU. Hence, Chris would not even have access to creating an account there. Some loser is faking the website and defaming Chris' name, adding to Chris' sadness. Whoever created that website is a pathetic liar who needs to get a life. Talk about tricking people, hidden agendas, and lying their a$$e$ off. Everyone be hating on Chris, but fake site is a load of dung. Poor Chris is already hurting, and some sad schmuck has to add to all the hate and death in this world. What is this world coming to??
prince: WRONG. Chris Lam did go to USF, he even tried to run to some government position there I think, though I'm not sure. Then he transfer to NYU. Bullshit about Cal, he probably had friends there or took a class to two for credit to transfer, whatever, but I know for sure he was a full-time student at USF. Some "research" you did.
PRINCE: SHUT UP. how can you say "poor chris" - poor chris? chris is a materialistic asshole, look at all that has been written abut him on from people who KNEW him. they say he was mean, manipulative, selfish, and just an overall asshole. maybe HE had a past that he didn't want to divulge, how can any of you place judgement on diana who was MY friend and I KNEW and would have known to not have donethis unless pushed and manipulated by someone who is even referred to by friends as an asshole?
what is this world coming to? people like you who believe in these ridiculous assholes. what are YOU coming to? just shut up.
prince, you don't know anything. and you should really keep your mouth shut, everyone "be hating" [what is up with this uneducated writing?] on chris because he is meant to be hated and hated on. if you have a problem with this, go date chris and make him a better person. you can be HIS prince.
prince is probably chris for all we know. i mean, look at his blatant use of the post interview to try and clear his name. it wouldnt surprise me if this was another attempt to lie to the world.
it seems to me that there are 2 sides of the comments here.
- people who knew diana/chris
- people who are just outsiders judging
as an asian i feel very angered at the amount of prejudice involved from outsiders with diana's death and the surrounding situations.
even with the surrounding facts (ie. people who KNOW diana) people are still judgemental and have fucked up views.
this isn't a forum to post personal views based on prejudice. what if it was your own sister and you happened to be a jewish/black/white/whatever family?
would you like people saying 'oh that negro girl was on crack!'
what stupidity and insensitivity.
what a fucked up media.
i urge on everyone to express their opinions to the washington post. bring it down for its lack of responsibility in reporting 'news'!
i agree, PRINCE is probably chris - look at the username. what a pathetic attempt to salvage his name.
chris if you are reading [and i know you are] i absolutely believe that you deserve to live with this guilt for the rest of your life. i hope the image of diana falling and you, having been the only person to see her lying on the floor, have to see that the reason she was lying there was because of YOU and nothing else. IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT THIS HAPPENED.
she had friends and family who loved her unconditionally. you, on the other hand, didn't love her in that way. you had conditions. you loved her on the condition that she leave her school and worst of all: waive her right to have any friends. her friends/family are not to blame. and school was never too hard for her, she was brave and hardworking - unwilling to fail at any cost.
i cant believe you had the nerve to show up to the funeral with your "bodyguards' and stand there behaving like an asshole, not consoling anyone or even acknowledging her friends. at this time, you should have been there to make ammends with her friends, because there was no need to live with this hate. but you couldn't even do that. you were too selfish of an asshole, you stood there as if this was something that we should feel sorry for you about. ITS YOUR FAULT AND JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. your name will never be saved, and even if you get everyone else to believe you the people who really need to believe you wont. and who are they? her friends, her family, and you. so live with this guilt, you brought it upon yourself.
you ruined the lives of many and took the life, soul, and love of one.
i've been following all the articles/comments/websites about the death of Diana Chien. first of all i want to give my sincere regards to her family and friends. second, from everything that i had read about her i found her to be a nice caring individual who ogt manipulated and hurted in the name of love, she also seem like someone whom i would want to meet as a friend if the chance was given. although i honestly believe that there are two sides to a story, there is only ONE SIDE OF TRUTH and THE TRUTH is that the cause of Diana's death was CHRIS and JUDGMENT DAY will come.
This message is for the brother of Diana, the older one. I am very disappointed of your actions in the past week. Chris killed Diana, can't you not see that? He is not a good person, have you seen his website or seen what his friends said about him, he is an asshole. If she had a normal boyfriend or any other boyfriend, she would still be alive today. But instead of making his life miserble, you took him in as a friend and actually made him feel better about what he has done. What kind of brother are you?
I know that you and Diana don't always get along, but I thought that deep down you loved you, now I don't know what to think. I know that your parents are adults and have to be rational, but you're her brother, you're not suppose to be rational.
Someone has to say this to you, I guess I am the one. I hope that your actions hunt you for a while, knowing that you befriend a man that killed your sister.
what could he have done to make her jump?
seeing that she was an athlete, not poor, intelligent, what sorts of problems would make her feel like she had all of these problems.
chris is an asshole (as it sounds from everyone's posts) but what could he have done to control her?
what are these "demons" that were spoken of in the nypost? just lies??
how come the post ain't writing about her asshole bf?
is he making money off this?
did they get married?
how can someone not love life or themselves and commit suicide? she has a cousin that committed suicide (read of some xanga link above). there are times when we are all down, but i know i've never thought about suicide.
how can a person do so much to make her do it...he can't be fully to blame? did she have any "demons"? what's going ON!!
apparently her other cousin committed suicide too. i guess it runs in the family
TO: yourclassmate
what did the older brother do?
chris is a fucker for all i know, but he seems to love her, and killing oneself is far worse.
did she give a fuck about all those who loved her?
chris is probably fucking sad right now and everyone's still dissin him right now. what did he do? did he go play around with other chicks while in the relationship? or talk to his ex's?
I just wanted to say that I knew Chris as well.
He was a pathological liar and the most twisted person I knew.
Although he attended USF before transferring to NYU, he told everyone at NYU that he transferred from UC Berkeley (and made up some bullshit story about how he got kicked out of Berkeley because he was rude to a professor) so that everyone would be impressed and he could get more ass.
One of the reasons he was able to transfer to NYU is because his parents made a large donation to the school; obviously, he never strived for anything in life; he is a spoilt fucker, and materialistic as hell. He wears nothing but prada, vuitton,etc. He treats everyone like garbage.
And by the way, that website, http://dons.usfca.edu/lamch2/myhome/html/favorites.html
is indeed his. HE told me so himself, back when we knew each other.
It's also true though that it hasn't been updated in over a year; that girl Cynthia is his ex-girlfriend. He cheated on Cynthia with some girl he met at NYU.
He also tried to play one of my friends. She was insecure, (and thanks to all his lying and smooth talk), she liked him, and he took advantage of it and treated her like shit. He would make vulgar comments to her about her chest. He lied to her all the time about what he was doing/ where he'd been, never kept promises, tried to make her do his homework, etc.
Thank god she came to her senses and stopped talking to him before she ended up like Diana.
It just sucks that I didn't know Diana; if I had, I coulda warned her.
can chris be held completely to blame?
there are so many f-ed up ppl that do the same thing (lesser and greater degrees) as him, but we don't see ppl jumping off buildings.
is there something wrong with her at all?
I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend
You could cut ties with all the lives
That you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand
I would understand
The angry boy, a bit too insane
Icing over a secret pain
You know you don't belong
You're the first to fight
You're way too loud
You're the flash of light
On a burial shroud
I know something's wrong
Well everyone I know has got a reason
To say, put the past away ...
I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend
You could cut ties with all the lives
That you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand
I would understand
Well he's on the table
And he's gone to code
And I do not think anyone knows
What they are doing here
And your friends have left
You've been dismissed
I never thought it would come to this
And I, I want you to know
Everyone's got to face down the demons
Maybe today
We can put the past away
I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend
You could cut ties with all the lives
That you've been living in
And if you do not want to see me again
I would understand
I would understand
I would understand ...
Can you put the past away
I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend
I would understand...
Why can't everyone just let her be? Let her rest in peace. What's done has been done. A bunch of random strangers speculating over what could have gone wrong is not letting her rest in peace. The point is, something went wrong and its too late to fix it now. So just let it go.
Jenn: maybe i am not some loser kid with nothing better to do than compose long-winded posts that bear not an ounce of credibility. Also, I don't have all the time in the world to proofread them.
On that note, check your own post. There is no such word as "anyways"
so there, you stupid, spoiled ABC princess
google his nyu handle cbl222... interesting fellow we're dealing with here.
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oh and you're entry was so credible?? lol i love your reply. "you really got me back." *ROLLS EYES* like i said, grow up.
and you don't know me ... so you can't talk. the last thing i am is spoiled. i'm just saying, find a better job if you have no regard for your patients...
somebody rich and asian must have really pissed you off. cuz you really got an issue with "spoiled" asian people. and as far as my overprivileged comment goes ... it has nothing to do with proofreading. its just ... people that complain about privilege never happen to spell it right. HMMM could that be a correlation?? or could you all just be full of it?
jaq, when you get off the hate train, we can talk. until then, ANYWAYS.
Hi,
This is a message from a New York magazine journalist working on a lengthy story about the deaths at NYU. First, let me say I'm sorry to all those in pain over Ms. Chien's death. I know many of you are probably revolted with the press now, and it's hard to make the case of why you would want to talk to me. But my editor wants to try to shed some light on what happened here, and since Chris's story is the only one that has made it into the media, it's important that some people speak out from the other side.
This is a link to another story I wrote about suicide -- in this case, a 'rational suicide.'
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/n_9589/
Please email if you want to discuss the possibility of talking to me. You can remain anonymous.
Thanks,
Vanessa Grigoriadis
Funny story about another Diana Chien from New York.
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=sexy_jie_x3
um, that's why it's in quotes. and fag's not a nice word.
He said she said so what? This shit aint our business. Who cares if he's a lying fuck or she's a slut. Why da f*ck do you any of you care? You're all so immersed in this drama that is none of your business that it makes you all look and sound silly.
This is a personal matter between boyfriend/girlfriend and families. Leave it be and whoever knows any of them, you should all be supportive to them.
You stupid retarded dummies need to keep your comments to yourself. And no, this isnt Chris Lam. This IP is coming from Los Angeles
Vanessa: Yay for getting the other side of the story out! While I feel really bad for the family and close friends who have to see this dragged out in public, I just can't stand the thought of the disgusting interview being the only thing out there telling anyone about what was going on. I totally agree with jjxy posted earlier, and I knew that Chris f*cker once too. I disagree with connecting Diana's story to the other NYU tragedies but if it's the only way anyone will publish it, so be it. Let it be understood what a wonderful person Diana was and how she was a victim of that piece of shit Chris Lam. He should not be allowed to do this again.
I totally agree with bombdiggy...I am in total disgust and shock that people would instigate more drama. This situation is none of anyone's business unless you are diana's family or friend. I can only imagine how her friends and family must feel after reading some of these posts. I don't even know this girl yet I'm so outraged and speechless after reading these comments. Please let her family and friends mourn in peace. My condolences to them...
notice how this started off on how insensitive the post was for running the picture. and now its about how chris is an ass.
coming from a friend of diana's, i request that you all stop.
the incident has passed, and those of you who comment on it express your opinions and offer your condolences, but let's face it. all of you will forget this soon enough and something new will be on the front page for you to comment on. those of us who knew diana will always remember this and never EVER forget diana. so for all of you to bicker and send each other viruses via email and talk about what "you think happened" and having the audacity to judge diana , it's just making this more painful than it should be. diana should be left to rest in peace.
chris, on the other hand, will live on with this guilt and hopefully live a long, lonely, painful life. whether or not he is posing as "prince" isn't a big deal, he;'s already the most pathetic and punkass BITCH there is. i dont care if that's not an educated way to speak my mind, that's the plain truth. this incident is something he will have to live with. he deserves all of this bad publicity, hopefully no one in this world is stupid enough to ever date him or fall for his bag of tricks. that is karma, let it work for itself.
as for her friends and family, we will find a way to cope and deal with this because we have each other and we will celebrate her life. the rest of you, please live your life and keep your loved ones safe from this.
friends have posted many journal entries in memory of her, we all say what needs to be said best. no article or opinion from outsiders could say it the way her friends can. let's just leave everyone alone and let diana rest in peace.
let it end here.
It seems to all those seeing this drama unfold is that the storm would never have grown if Chris Lam didn't give that sad excuse of an interview to the NY Post.
The utter disregard for his "true love" and focus on Prada really struck a chord with many.
That being said, he may have been a "prick", a liar and any other kind description you have for him.
This young woman of privledge decided to end her life, with her own legs, walking to the elevator and to her demise.
To blame him, would be like blaming everyone who is in a relationship where one party is viewed as an abusive or dominating partner.
Many many relationships are this way, lets not kid ourselves. Many of you reading this are involved in relationships or actions that could be viewed as unhealthy, yet we continue.
This is a story about a person who made her own decision to end her life. All people who commit suicide are wrapped up in their own twisted reality.
The family is in pain and mourning, going after this Christopher Lam character is somewhat pointless and what will be the end result that will make everyone happy?
Prada this, LV that.
Walk down 31st street, or broadway, many amongst us have this same want desire and obsession for material wants and needs.
Fool yourself, condem others, look in the mirror, see what you are, and then judge.
Peace.
RIP Diana and all lost souls...
THEENDRESULT: OH MY GOSH. that was a LOAD of garbage so please just SHUT UP. this has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to do with material goods. it wasn't about wanting anything materialistic. if you READ anything, you would know that despite the fact that diana ultimately made the decision to jump, you have to consider all of the factors that led her up to this. although she is partial to blame, she has faced her punishment that was all too tragic and unnecessary and very very very sad on her behalf. however, chris is alive and if you read what he had to say, you would see all the bullshit in his words. chris is manipulative towards women, read what his "friends" hav to say about him. he tried to manipulate the public through this interview. to sit here and blame diana is not going to get us anywhere. she has suffered enough. but justice must be served on chris, he manipulated her and ruined her life. all she did was love him, and apparently that was a crime that she wasnt aware of. this isnt fair, not for her and all the girls out there who are trapped in this. guys should NOT be able to treat girls this way, not girls who love them. and yes, girls should have the strength to leave but if you have ever experienced love, you would understand.
someone twisted her reality, and that person is chris. why dont you stop being so stupid and realize this?
I fully appreciate that Chris is most likely total a$$. However, ask yourself, what qualities attracted Diana to him? Come on, lets get real.
There is no "blame" in this, she is no longer with us, this was of her own choice.
If this guy was such an a$$ it's hard to believe that her family would enable her to continue an abusive/manipulative relationship.
If this guy was so clearly dirt beneath ones finger tips, you would hope her "friends"/family would wake her the fuck up.
It's sad, it's over, RIP.
this was a cool story. cant wait for the next one
can someone tell me what the purpose is of this forum?? and can someone explain why people like "jag," who is supposedly in a field to show compassion would write things like "you stupid, spoiled ABC princess"?? i dont get it. what is the point of this forum???
So what if Chris Lam is a dick? So what if Diana was psychotic or had demons in her. WTF is it anyones business? Im sure there are alot of the same people out there and you all can be one of them.
Do you guys even have any guilt at all posting all this nonsense crap? Are you all that insensitive to the families and friends that lost a love one? Leave them the fuck alone and keep all your stupid comments to yourself.
Im pretty sure you wouldnt appreciate this if you were in their shoes.
The only way to stop Chris is to lock him up in prison or for some good samaritan blow his head off (I prefer the latter).
Chris thinks he's hot? With that face? hahaha
just look at him
im a very distant relative of Diana; i wouldnt be suprised if she or her brothers dont remember me, but thats makes her no less family and i feel i have something that needs to be said to a forum of people who find this as some form of entertainment, place to express how insightful on the facts of life they are, to be funny, or any combination of the above:
James: this isnt a "cool story" and its far from being a good one; this is a story that we wish would have never been told, and for those who think anything opposite, i suggest you go elsewhere to read your fairytales.
TheEndResult: I can agree that this is sad, but its not over and i doubt Diana would be resting peacefully since Justice has not been served. There is obviously much more to Chris than that which he has recieved for. "Many relationships end this way, lets not kid ourselves" - sounds to me like you have no heart; its true that many relationships end this way, but just because it isnt a rare situation justifies nothing. For those who know her personally as a friend or those who know her as family, lik me, though even the most intricate webs of family, we want justice in her favor; its a job she no longer can perform for herself. "There is no "blame" in this, she is no longer with us, this was her own choice" - Its not her choice when she is in the wrong frame of mind; and as for "blame," blame goes to whoever caused it who is in this case Chris be cause he is the one who feuled the situation to such a level
John: "Chris is probably fucking sad right now and everyone's still dissin him right now. what did he do?" - He doesnt have to do much. Being her boyfriend, whatever he says will hav an effect; all he needs to do is say something in order for a situation to change. As for his being sad and everyone "dissin" him, it is all rightfully justified unless he has indisputable proof that he isnt to blame. Instead, he has absolutely no proof in his favor and those who know him best - his friends - will even confess that he is both manipulative and promiscuous. I am glad hes sad, that is his place, and i endorse anyone who speaks out against (disses) him because what he tells the news obviously doesnt show his true colors.
anon: "There are so many f-ed up people that do the same thing (greater and lesser degrees) as him, but we dont see them jumping off buildings" - the fact that they do it is bad enough, and if in the end it causes death, which it may or may not do, shouldnt be used as a means to measure the severity. The fact that it happens is bad enough.
jag: "I have also lived in Asia for years, i knew many spoiled Taiwanese/Chinese-Americans for years" - I dont care where you hav lived or who you have known; my question is and remains > did you know Diana? well, you obviously dont because you seem to label her as "another spoiled rich kid with a manhattan apartment," unaware that she doesnt even live in New York, making alot of your opinion invalid. "Most will agree that suicide is just a play for attention" - are you willing to actually give the names and numbers of these people? because i dont know any of them, and one obviously cannot experience attention after suicide or any form of death. "Were her well-off Tivo exec dad and investment banker boyfriend not enough attention?" - it makes me sick to find even just one person practicing their sarcasm on this issue; and just so that its clear, her Father is a very respectable man, and even though her family maybe "well-off," dont be so quick to get the idea that she/they is spoiled. Money doesnt make a person spoiled, its how you treat it; her family is definitely not spoiled.
to those who are here to a thorn in our side, stop posting and leave the situation.
This is not your place; You do not belong; You are not wanted
to those who are here to be a thorn in our side, stop posting and leave the situation.
This is not your place; You do not belong; You are not wanted
Arthur you are the man. Very well-written post.
Now that we all agree that Chris is a lying dickhead and Diana.. well whatever was said of her.. - Can the Author of this post shut down the board so idiots who have nothing good to say be locked out?
I don't know Mr. Lam or Miss Chien but I can't help but feel sad for both of their family and friends. My condolences to them. And I don't care about you people who say to just stay out of it, because I'm an Asian American and I have more compassion than you apathetic sons of bitches combined. But I have to say this to Mr. Lam, shame on you for accepting the media's offer for an interview to talk about your girlfriend's tragic death. If I were you I'd be in too much pain to talk about it with anyone, especially with a profit-driven news agency like the New York Post or any periodical for that matter. Maybe you didn't know any better, then you're just foolish and in need of growing up. Or maybe you did that because of your guilty conscience, then all the "hate" you're getting and will continue to get is well deserved. Either way Miss Chien's justice is being served. You remind me of Judas Iscariot selling Jesus for a few silver coins. And just like him you will one day resent having done that so much that maybe just like Judas commit your own suicide. I don't wish that of you, but you need to grieve over your act of utter stupidity or unconscionable shame and learn from it. If you truly loved your girlfriend, then please show it and not just give lip service. And another thing Mr. Lam, I feel sorry for you that you had to have bodyguards around you at your girlfriend's funeral. It sucks that you have to live with the constant fear that someone might jump you one of these days. Hope you're packed and ready.
Does anybody think that the bastard chris will commit suicide after all this??? He doesn't have the balls to event think about it...
We thank everyone for a very spirited discussion about the terrible fact of Diana Chien's suicide and the certainly odd interview Chris Lam had with the NY Post. We are shutting down comments because many of the comments are offensive and out of line. Please do not attempt to blanket Gothamist with more offensive comments because we will delete them and ban your IP address, and believe me, we'll spend the time doing that.
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