
While Gothamist is familiar with some apartment buildings having rules about pets, they basically begin with "Dogs must be on a leash" and end with "Clean up their messes if they leave any in the elevator or public halls." We love petting dogs in the hall. That's why the Times story about an Upper East Side condo's Gestapo-like rules upsetting. Some of the rules from the Ruppert Yorkville Towers Condominium:
- Dogs will be required to wear special tags on their collars or leashes identifying their owners and apartment numbers.
- Owners will be charged a $100 fee and must register their dogs by Feb. 27, submitting proof that they have been spayed and neutered and given the inoculations for rabies and other conditions.
- No visiting dogs are allowed.
- Owners are responsible for paying for whatever damage their animals cause, and preventing nuisance behavior defined in part as "making noise continuously and/or incessantly for a period of 10 minutes or intermittently for one hour or more.''
- Violations will be subject to fines - $100 for the first infraction, $250 for the second, $500 for the third and permanent removal of the pet within 30 days for further breaches.
Dog owners ranging from the elderly who are afraid of fines to owners with dog-custory agreements to owners of show dogs are enraged. The building complex, 90th Street to 92nd Street between Second and Third Avenue, has much scaffolding, where a urine smells does emanate from, but dog owners argue that if the scaffolding were removed, the smell would go away. The president of the board says, "There is nothing wrong with dogs. The problem is people."





Those rules do seem a bit strict, Reich-like if you get my meaning. And it isn't like a resident could pick up and move either, as its hard to find a good apartment/condo that you can afford. Dog owners have a right to be outraged by this.
While all the fines are a bit much, I have to say that I'd agree with most of the rules. I LOVE dogs. I despise people who don't properly train them, ID them or inoculate them.
Dogs can't help but be dogs. People can be responsible.
Forgive me, but that's the problem I have with animal lovers, especially of the PETA variety. They always say that animals are pure and without sin whereas it's people that are the cause of all evil in the world. And then use this logic as an excuse to let their dogs shit all over the sidewalk, jump up on people who are afraid of them, maul 100-lb lesbians to death, and so on.
Word.
um, I know this will incur wrath, but... have you ever lived next door to dogs that bark incessantly or steped in dog shit outside your front door? These rules won't affect any considerate dog owner - just the one's who deserve much punishment.
I've lived in 5 different apartment buildings in NYC.
Three with roach problems, two without.
The ones with roach problems allowed pets. The ones without had a no-pets policy. Coincidence?
I LOVE dogs. But they don't belong in apartment buildings. The building I live in now has roach problems, and is phasing out pets with all new leases.
I would welcome these rules in my building. We own a dog (a Golden Retriever) and I would gladly conform to all of these. We live below an apartment with two small yappy dogs who never shutup and scamper across the floors and another apartment lets her dogs, one of which is aggressive, run off leash through the halls. Do you think it is possible to reason with these people? We've tried, it's not possible. Fines are the answer. It is all about common sennse and courtesy -- those who don't have it need to be slapped around.
After narrowly avoiding stepping in a steaming pile of dog doo in front of Lincoln Center, I'd be in favor of a no dogs in NYC policy! So bravo to this condo for taking the first steps in the rights direction.
i love dogs, and i think responsible owners really wouldnt feel too burdened by these rules. but it does seem a little cruel that some people keep such large dogs in such small apartments.
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'Nuff said.
I love dogs. Steamed or grilled on hardwood coals. Not shitting on sidewalks and barking, either at 7 in the morning or at 12 at night outside my window. Dogs belong in the country and in junk yards, not in the city.
I have had a rather large dog in two small apartments in NYC and no roach problem (except once for a couple of weeks when some people who lived onthe floor above me, who by the way did not have dogs or cats, moved out of our building--it seems that all their roaches needed to find a new source of food and tried to move into the surrounding apartments. A month of combat roach baits solved that problem for good.)
As for the whole "it's cruel to keep dogs in apartments" line, Most dogs one sees in this city would have been kept in a cage in the dog pound for a short period before being put to death if not for the people who adopted them.
Most dogs I have met in this city are actually pretty happy. It's funny, you would think city dogs wouldn't be. Having taken numerous road trips down south, I'd bet that most dogs would rather have the run of a small apartment in the city, and two to three long walks on the street or in the park each day than spend 20 hours a day chained up to a tree on the side of a house in rural [pick anyone of these states where I have seen this happen] North /South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Tenn. Dogs are pack animals and are happiest with their pack, whether their pack is people or other dogs.
Responsible people pick up their dog's crap. THey don't let their dogs bark nonstop--though, some owners are not aware that their dogs bark alot when they are gone b/c hey, guess what, the dogs only do it when their people are not home. If telling the owner to do something about this doesn't work, call 311, they will put you in touch with the noise complaint dept and they will send the owners a nice but firm letter telling them a complaint has been made about the dog's barking, give the owners some nice hints on how to stop the dog from barking and also tell the owners in no uncertain terms that they will be fined if further complaints are received and substantiated. I know this b/c after trying to get a neighbor to do something about her dog that barked from 6 am -7 am every morning, I made a complaint and was sent a copy of the letter that was sent to the owner.
i fail to see any logic in the comment that because one person ALMOST (but apparently didn't) step in dog crap, that therefore all dogs should be abolished from new york. i almost stepped in gum, so let's outlaw that, too.
i own two small dogs, whom i always pick up after, so i can't stand when other owners ruin it for the rest of us and let their dogs treat the city like a giant litterbox. our dogs bark at noises in the hallway (as do other dogs in our building), and we try to do as much as we can to stop them. however, i've lived in the suburbs and the city, and my feeling is that dogs and their emissions are just part of life. i'd like to outlaw the incessant jackhammering outside our window, the honking taxis and the screaming drunks, too. but seeing as i live on a relatively small island with 2 million other people, i chalk those up to living in the city. most of the dog owners i know are responsible. it's the few bad apples that spoil it for everyone else.
but while i'm on the subject, what's up with the people who use a bag to pick up their dog's crap, then tie the bag and leave it on the sidewalk or in the street? i would think the difficult part would be picking it up, not finding a place to throw the bag away.
The main problem with this building is thati t was recently turned from a mitchell-lama building for rent stabilization to a provatized ownership. I think some of the rules are completely justified but not letting other dogs visit, whats next no people can visit either!
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Finally! Somebody with some sense and courage has decided to do something about these overbearing pet owners. It's about time. Pets have more rights than people. The problem with these animals in apartment buildings is as follows: 1. Pet owners never want to take full responsibility for the animals. Last year a tenant's pit bull broke away from it's owner and jumped up on me. Instead of apologizing, she gets on the elevator, turns around and makes a smart remark to me. Of course, I reported her to managment and call the police on her. What if I would have been injured? Who's responsible? Should I hold the property owner liable for allowing this potentially dangerous hound in the building all for the sake of a few dollars rent? I'm sure the dog owner didn't have insurance to cover damages. What good is money when someone is permanently scarred, or worst, mawled to death by some out of control animal? 2. These animals are nasty and decrease property value!!! Last week, I had to tell someone outside of the building to pick up dog crap after their dog finised crapping. Why should I, or anyone for that matter have to step outside of their home into puddles of piss and smears of dog crap? Why should anyone have to track this filth into their home? Property managers can not keep up with cleaning the filth because the buildings are overrun with animals. And then, people turn around and wonder why does their neighborhood and apartment building have a rodent problem. Dah??? And who's faoult is that for creating these slummish conditions? Come on people. Be responsible. In the summer it stinks. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. 3. And, don't forget NOISE. How many times have I had to call management or the police because a neighbor has left their dog unattended for hours and the dog is left barking for hours. Are dog owners aware that noise has been used to torture people. The constant barking is clearly a public nuisance. I don't care what's wrong with your dog when it's barking and preventing me from sleeping, working, or from simply being comfortable in my home. No, the dog has no right. I recall, the weekend of January 21, 2004, at approximately 2:54 a.m. a neighbor's dog was barking uncontrollably. I called the front desk and reported the disturbance. Would you believe that the owner was back up in that apartment allowing that dog to just bark? How absolutely inconsiderate and arrogant? I suppose she was training it. I don't know what her excuse was. At 3:00 a.m. when people are trying to sleep, there is no excuse for that. Two days later, the same tenant had her dog in the hallway off the leash exercising it because she was to lazy to take it outside. I stepped off of the elevator when suddenly, her dog as jumping at my legs. Clearly, it startled me. Now had I kicked the crap out of it for jumping up on me, she would have made me out to be cruel to animals. First of all, the hallway is not park, dog training path, or her private property. The New York City Health Code provides that a person who owns, possesses or controls a dog shall not permit it to be in any public place or in any open or unfenced area abutting on a public place unless the dog is effectively restrained by a leash or chain not more than six feet long. The Code also addresses matters regarding sanitation, dangerous animals (pit bulls) and other pertinant issues that are not being enforced. Speaking of pit bulls, frankly , these animals are unpredictable and should not under any circumstances be allowed in apartment buildings and other densely populated residential facilities. They are entirely too unpredictable - I don't care how well trained owners think their animal is...it makes me sick to my stomach to hear about the horror stories of these animals mawling innocent people to death (i.e., the story of the tenant in San Francisco). An senseless death. Who cares if the hound is put to sleep afterwards - a human life has been taken for no reason. The person would have been better off to have been shot. At least the victim would not have had to suffer helplessly. And, now if I recall, at least one of those crazy dog owners had the nerve to be release from jail. That is so wrong. The bottom line is, these animals have more rights than people.
Is my response coming from the perspective that I hate dogs? No. Actually, I think it might be nice to have a small pet (dog/cat). But, I have enough sense to know that I live in an apartment building. Apartments are not conducive environments for animals - private homes, with private yards. And even still, it should not be a nuisance. Having these animals in apartments is like a cage. Apartments encage people, let alone animals.
I want to encourage the Ruppart Towers to organize city-wide meeting with other property owners and take back their rights to keep these animals out of these apartment buildings. And, for the tenants that currently have dogs, I want to encourgate Ruppart to meet with other managers and tenants to demand that the Health Code be enforced to the "T" - with a no non-sense outcome. No non-sense meaning that manager owners have the right to evict tenants that have numerous complaints regarding the dogs.
Oh yes, and dog owners, stop taking your pets into grocery stores and restaurants. How many times have I seen people pick up dog crap, craddle their animal and go to the store and pick vegetables? This is nasty. It is unlawful for your animal to be in establishments where food and medications are sold. The law does not stipulate size - big dogs, little dogs, cripple dogs, old dogs. If you have to go to the store, be responsible, leave your dog at home. Don't impose those germs to the public. You have no right! And, don't leave the dog outside the store tied to a tree to bark for a half hour while you lolly-gag through the store. Barking is a offensive - it's a nuisance. Would you want to be tied to a tree?
Dog owners, stop abusing people, the law and property owners. Enough already. If it's too much for you to comply with the law, move. Get your own detached home where you can be as nasty as you please.
Be fair and considerate to your neighbors that choose not have pets. They/We have rights too.
As someone who lives in a building with lots of barking dogs and resents it, I'm tickled to see so many like minded people posting here. As to the strict rules - sadly it's a little like laws, if everyone one was nice and considerate we wouldn't need them. They exist for the inconsiderate who need everything spelled out and yes it can be a bother for the good pet owners.
The main reason I'm posting is to say that there seems to be a real surge in dog ownership, especially where I live in the East Village. Fifteen years ago there were very few dogs. Based on the people in my building I'm guessing the vast majority of owners live alone. That's a recipe for a lonely dog who barks.
I sense in many of these posts a backlash to the new saturation of dogs in a crowed urban space. Sounds like a rallying cry to get organized, I'm all ears.
The list of responders here range from responsible pet owners to those who've been victim to a discourteous dog owner.
For the most part, dog owners are responsible. They clean up after their dog. They don't want them barking in the middle of the night. After all, dog owners have to walk on the side walk and sleep as non-dog onwers. Except for the noise rule (puppies bark when left alone--though there are some humane solutions), the rules are pretty appropriate.
The few people who've been jumped on in the hallway or had to step around dog feces were victims of an irrepsonsible owner. These are few and far between and those owners should be made to know such behavior is unnacceptable.
However for the people making judgements on a whole class of people based on the observations of one or two: there's a word for that... hmm... what was that word?
I think that's just as bad (or worse) than the selfish dog-owner. But hey, you are who you are!
I pick up after my neutered, tagged and immunized dog.
I get a kick out of people saying that dogs belong in the country. I live in the country , and an incessantly barking dog outside my window is no different than an incessantly barking dog outside your window in the city! My question is however, how can dog owners not be bothered by their own dogs barking?
I think the last statement in the article sums it up well... "It's people that are the problem". We all need to lighten up and find ways to work with each other.