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Sometimes you can tell how much time has passed by using subway projects as time markers. Gothamist definitely remembers when the B and D trains were rerouted. But after reading the Times article about what the B, D, and other lines will actually be doing in 2004, we're totally confused. There are upsides for Brooklyn residents in Bay Ridge and off the Brighton line as well as Chinatown residents, but the MTA definitely has a huge task ahead of itself with educating riders. Times reporter Michael Luo poses the dilemma of trying to this understandable: "The W, currently the only line to Coney Island, will now terminate at Whitehall Street, but will be replaced by the D, which used to be where the B will be." The MTA will do its best, by launching a "full-court press" of publicity, advertising, and on premise subway workers to help riders, after writers have rewritten on thousands of pieces of documents. One commuter works out the changes in her mind, telling the Times, "If you take the Q line, which used to be the D line, and call it the B line, which is now the W in Brooklyn, that could confuse a lot of people hopping on the wrong train. Q becomes B. That's like calling the F train the A train. It doesn't make any sense."
Gothamist will be going to the MTA's website and spending an extra 15 minutes to understand what implications the changes will have on our commute.
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Do either of you know (especially Jake, the native Park Sloper) if the B or D ever ran through 7th Ave? Was there ever a Bklyn express train that traversed the now F only track? Whenever I'm waiting for the train at 7th Avenue, I scratch my head at the center tracks that are only used for trash cars and the occasional G train passing through...
Those tracks have not been used in many years. At one point only the G ran local, and the (variously) D and F ran express and to Manhattan. Anyone coming from 4th, Smith/9th, or Carroll would have to change at Bergen lower level or at Hoyt-Schermerhorn to reach Manhattan. This was, understandably, unpopular.
The B and D were rerouted over the bridge when the Chrystie Street connection opened in the late '60s. I don't think there's been express service through 7th Ave/9th St since then.
interesting...i always wondered when the lower level of bergen closed up. what a waste of track.
I think it is a good change that the MTA is making. Now at 34th street if you are ona B or D train you don't have to get off and transfer. Now you can stay on and ride into brooklyn like the old days. The only thing that would be crazy is the change of the D to the west end line And the B to the Brighton line. That is the only crazy thing. Now You can take the N express in manhattan. It is a good change. Better than the first change with the W,Q,and Q express. The MTA is brining those two trains back to were they belong in Brooklyn.
I think it is a good change that the MTA is making. Now at 34th street if you are ona B or D train you don't have to get off and transfer. Now you can stay on and ride into brooklyn like the old days. The only thing that would be crazy is the change of the D to the west end line And the B to the Brighton line. That is the only crazy thing. Now You can take the N express in manhattan. It is a good change. Better than the first change with the W,Q,and Q express. The MTA is brining those two trains back to were they belong in Brooklyn.
What I cannot understand is why the restored
Manhattan bridge service swaps the routes for
B and D trains from their previous lines. B used to serve the West End and D used to serve the Brighton. Now it's the other way around.