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The blogging cartel and fashion world are abuzz about Elizabeth Spiers' move to New York magazine, whether it's Jeff Jarvis on Greg Lindsay's WWD piece, Gawker's editor-of-this-week-and-probably-for-weeks-to-come Choire, MemeFirst or Elizabeth herself trying to answer everyone's questions. Okay, so those are only four five sources. But we're loving Choire's touch with Gawker - Gayker (TM, 601am, apparently), anyone?
Anyway, who knows what will happen with any contract negotiations, what with Primedia trying to unload New York somewhere, but let's think big picture: If MARY Elizabeth Spiers can move from Gawker to New York magazine, can Gothamist be writing Jerry Orbach's pithy one-liners some time soon?
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You can add MemeFirst to the list, too...
shes a sellout.
Thanks, Felix. Funny, I used "abuzz" also. Maybe it's because I went to Jarvis' Buzz Machine. Maybe "atwitter" would be better.
And as for whether Elizabeth is a sellout, I don't know if anyone can really be a career blogger without a more steady stream of freelance work. I think anyone would jump at a chance to stretch themselves as well as ensure some sort of financial security. And benefits.
Jen, we come here because Gawker sucks. Just thought you'd want to know.
i love gawker and gothamist. both are amusing; although, gothamist is a bit less acidic, and yes, choire is a riot!
True. I was just annoyed. I liked her and her style. Im not a fan of new york mag. Im sure i will love choire as well.
i have to say i thought Elizabeth was somewhat overrated--Choire brings the *true* snark, fast and furious, as well as informative and diverse. There are only so many inane, that-was-not-even that-clever-the-first-time posts about trucker hats a reader can take. Perhaps E. was phoning it in from cushier freelance gigs. Calling her a "media star" is absurd--much ado about nothing. I realize the hype feeds every blogizen's discovered-at-schwabs-dot-com fantasies, however.
if it was up to me, i'd have choire sitting in my apartment making witty remarks while i ate sushi off his naked ass. try doing that with elizabeth spiers!
A minor point, but for the record, I gave up any claim to a homosexual identity on July 31st, 2003.
Also, I am carrying Elizabeth's lovechild, conceived in the offices of Conde Nast.
You know Choire they pay women a lot of $$$ these days to be a human platter to eat sushi off, i've never heard of a man being the model but theres always a first. Jake, what time is this foodie event? Can i bring a friend?
I smell a whole buncha sour grapes in this here comment section.
Aw, thanks, eli. And Choire - thanks for letting us know - we'll be working on a Photoshopped picture of what your lovechild would look like a la Conan's "If They Mated."
"Jen, we come here because Gawker sucks. Just thought you'd want to know."
I'll second that.
btw, way to catch liz out there with the old school busted ass picture, that was hilarious!
damn, now I see why she keeps her mouth closed in the picture on her site.
gawker is so 3 months ago - i have removed it from my RSS agreggator since liz went on 'vacation'. thankfully i found gothamist.
gawker is so 3 months ago - i have removed it from my RSS agreggator since liz went on 'vacation'. thankfully i found gothamist.
RE: Gothamist vs. Gawker
I must admit that I, too, prefer Gothamist over Gawker. Yes, they are aiming at different crowds. Although I discovered Gothamist a few months after Gawker, it almost immediately took over as my favorite NYC weblog.
Moreover, on layout alone, Gothamist is the hands-down winner -- the use of a photograph/picture-per-entry, the bolded headlines, the endearing typos, etc. Keep it up.
I categorically deny that I am carrying Jake Dobkin's baby.
For the record, I'd like to claim coinage of "Gayker" back on December 18, 2002.
http://601am.com/021215.html
i must be one of the few who loves both of them. or else i'm just more bored at work than the rest of you.
I love them both too! To quote Sarah Jessica Parker its like "Sophie's Choice"
Gawker has better content and is quicker to the punch, but Gothamist has better layout. I have to say Gawker beats you by a hair.
I don't know when this turned into a Gawker vs. Gothamist discussion. We're two different sites. Clearly, Gothamist's focus is on Law & Order, all the food we can eat in one meal, NY crime stuff, and pandas. Try drawing a Venn diagram and you'll see that while there are overlapping areas, there are also distinct areas.
(And if we have someone with money actually backing this site, tell me, 'cause Mommy needs a new pair of shoes. I have more to say about the content, but I'll comment about that on my about page later.)
i hate gothamist so much that it makes me ill- but gawker wouldn't take me- even though i begged and begged and begged choire to take me with him to soho house for a menage with the rich and famous. thus, i am left with no options.
I love Blogging Rivalries! Especially when said rivalry is denied! C'mon Jen, you know that putting that "busted ass" Google photo (to quote the anonymous "Jon" above) was gonna stir the pot, just don't deny it!
For the record, this site is dope. I visit a few times a day, easily. I haven't been as hott on Gawker of late, but mainly because I can't read that many words without looking at a picture or two. But I'm liking the fresh style of this new editor ... the snark is flying faster than a Mariano Rivera cutter. it's still on my must-visits, just not as demanding of an hourly refresh as it was six months ago.
Primedia is trying to sell off New York Magazine for $20-30M, so it's a bit tenuous anyway, isn't it?
Gawker is so williamsburg ...
Gothamist is so Red Hook ...
In w/ the new , out w/ the old ...
i think liz looks really cute in the picture- she seems so happy!
Peyton Picks Gothamist because it blows Gawker out of the water...
According to boingboing.com writer xeni jardin, Jason "I'm an asshole who knows karate, fuck you, I rule silicon alley" calacanis has made a public offer to Liz. this is fucking funny. someone please make a real offer to Jen instead, she's got Waaaaay more talent and is a heck of a lot nicer and not as fake as liz.
*plus, jen doesn't have scary aligator teeth, which is always nice.
What I don't understand is why there hasn't been more coverage on Gawker about Elizabeth's departure. You have to give credit where it's due. Gawker was one of the first sites that piqued my interest in blogging and increased my feelings of inadequacy about not living in NYC. Anyway - good for Lizzy she deserves it. And I agree - thats is a nice pic of her.
Subject: Gawker vs. Gothamist
Yeah, I prefer Gothamist over Gawker, but it's because, well, I don't care for Anna Wintour or Vanity Fair or Trucker Hats. Not that Gawker is bad; it's great and fun in its own way. But it's only for a certain narrow type of NYC magazine-obsessed person (or wannabes from the heartland).
Gothamist has more of a widespread appeal -- I'm Californian! -- and all the postings are just so random -- randomly interesting, that is.
I'm sending Jake manlove for Choire.
ugh ... what I meant to write in my delirium was that I'm 'sensing' jake manlove for choire. my apologies on the typo. (Rudin would've fired my ass for that)
Digital Hamster,
1. Jen is great, I read Gothamist every day. It is very well done. I would do a project with Jen if it made sense. She is clearly very talented.
2. My offer to ES is real. I think she could eclipse Gawker.com in about three to six months.
3. What is this "Silicon Alley" you speak of?
best, Jason
Digital Hamster,
1. Jen is great, I read Gothamist every day. It is very well done. I would do a project with Jen if it made sense. She is clearly very talented.
2. My offer to ES is real. I think she could eclipse Gawker.com in about three to six months.
3. What is this "Silicon Alley" you speak of?
best, Jason
"What is this "Silicon Alley" you speak of?"
It's the place your genius ass worked and made enemies for years yet you still double post like a total newbie.
"It is very well done. I would do a project with Jen if it made sense."
Jen, consider yourself LUCKY this guy isn't interested in you. "if it made sense" Puhleeze. Jen is too good for the likes of you. Go back to grandstanding by sniffing up liz's ass. How much class does someone 'not' have to make a public offer like that. like the woman is on sale like a whore or something. So what, when you fire someone do you announce that publicly too? what a dick.
yeah, c'mon jason bring it on!
obviously u are starving for new projects!
Gawker vs. Gothamist, Gothamist vs. Gawker. The real question is, who'd win in a fight?
wow people are such jerks when it comes to posting comments. mean but none very funny.
Gothamist is the poor man's gawker.
I'm glad Choire tells us how to pronounce his name on his site. "Corey," as in Haim and Feldman.
I love Frankenstein! "Bride of Frankenstein" is my favorite movie!!!
And no, I don't know why it showed up as three separate trackbacks. It's a wonderful technology but it's got some bugs...
Now that Elizabeth is "big time," perhaps she'll be able to afford to whiten and straighten her teeth and see a plastic surgeon about all those horrid acne scars on her face... If she's going to be in the business of dishing it out, shouldn't she look halfway decent herself?
that's really not nice. i mean, you can dis liz's writing if you don't like it, but let's keep this conversation sophisticated.
jake - that's precisely the point! gawker isn't a literary mag devoted to sophisticated criticism. it's all about making fun of someone for their hair, makeup, their attitude -- it's a acidic, outragoeus snark-fest. and if she's going to make it her business to do that, she might also want to look in the mirror herself. i saw her at a party recently and was honestly quite appalled. if she's going to dish it, she better be able to take it!
Anyone who comments anonymously is a coward who deserves to be ignored. The sentiments above are pure sexism: it's unthinkable they'd be made if Spiers was a guy. If Elizabeth wants to go out and get Botoxed, all power to her -- and if she doesn't, then that's fine and dandy as well. I might not have smothered Elizabeth in praise in my latest piece, but I did try to be fair, and if anybody (Anil? Maccers?) wants to point out any specific inaccuracies, I'd be more than happy to correct them. That said, I do have a feeling this particular storm in a teacup has already had way more than its alloted 15 minutes, and that we're all going to have completely forgotten about it come Monday.
I do have bad teeth, but the last time I checked, no acne scars. You sure it was me? Let me help you out: I'm also short, my hair looks like shit, and my sense of fashion scares small children.
Nonetheless, I get paid to write. I know this may come as a complete shock to you, but you don't actually have to look good to do that. In fact, you can very specifically not look good, and it really doesn't matter. I've never been asked by an editor to submit a headshot with a clip.
have you guys every been to a bloggers night out? i can say with total certainty that with the exception of van geison (the adonis of our group), none of the rest of us is winning any beauty prizes. except pete rojas, but that's more for metrosexuality.
that's bull. bloggers can attack anyone in the establishment they please but when it's directed at them, it's "sexist" and "not nice"? i've seen spiers around town too. from gawker, i imagined she'd be this really sexy, intelligent chick - but she looked as bad or worse than the other nasty, butt-ugly writers who get a kick by taking down the much better looking, much better dressed and much more famous.
Well, if calling me ugly is your idea of a takedown, then I'm not too worried. I don't lose sleep over whether or not people find me physically attractive. And while I've certainly made fun of media people on Gawker, I was never so desperate for material that I had to resort to "you're ugly and your momma dresses you funny."
i think it's called the michael musto phenomenon -- the people who do the gossipping *never* look as good as the people they gossip about.
So now writers, in addition to being brilliant, witty, and intelligent, also have to look like supermodels?
Damn, I better get started on that liposuction...
No, I think the point is that if you make your living critiquing supermodels and actors on their hair and clothes, you should probably expect a dose of your own medicine.
(That's why I like Gothamist so much more than Gawker - it's a wonderful blog about NYC minus the vapid "What is Anna wearing" bull*hit.)
Ken - what in god's name are you talking about? do you actually *read* gawker? i don't critique supermodels and actors on their hair and their clothes. i don't know where you're getting that from. i critique them for acting like idiots in public and saying stupid things. there's a difference.
What I'm interested in at the moment is the fact that Elizabeth said last week that she would be on vacation for a week. But reading Gawker the past couple of days, it seems that Mr. Sicha is not only the President of New York, but of Gawker as well. Any comment Elizabeth?
Jake makes a good point, which I think bears repeating; I should be winning beauty prizes.
Why this hasn't happened yet is beyond my comprehension.
I'm sorry, chunky Choire's at the fat farm this week. I'm rail-thin Stepford Choire, I'll be subbing for him subbing for Elizabeth this week. Any questions?
Oh, right, Elizabeth, you're way above that. Puh-lease.
"Okay, we're shallower than any other media-obsessed pop culture outlet in town. When an actor or designer is interviewed, we want to know about A) what shoes he is wearing..."
(From Gawker, like, yesterday.)
Ken:
I didn't, like, write that. (Again, do you actually *read* the site. Did you just entirely miss the bajillion posts about how I haven't been doing Gawker lately? A lack of reading comprehension on your part does not constitute an egregious error on my part.)
All I know is Gawker is beyond tiresome--enough about trucker hats and hipsters. Shut up already. And the Tina and Anna obsession? Boring and superficial. Gothamist is right on, Gawker is just plain awful.
Rock on, Elizabeth. It is perfectly obvious that your critics here are simply jealous of your success.
Re: Elizabeth Spiers' visage,
I will still, and always, wear my 'I Fucked Elizabeth Spiers' shirt with honor, and above all, dignity. And above that, pride.
Wearing your "I f**ked Elizabeth Spiers" t-shirt is even more humiliating than the moron I saw in LA wearing a "I hooked up with Anna Nicole" t-shirt.
At least Anna Nicole *used* to be decent looking.
Oh, you're in LA. That explains it.
I guess in LA parents get pissed if their little boys type out the F word on the internet?
At the risk of explaining the joke, I'd like to point out that at the Tina/Anna obessions were supposed to be boring and superficial.
Irony: The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
No, you fucking moron. I live in NY. But I'm not a blogger who spends all his fucking free time sitting at my computer all day and actually leave the LES once in a while.
The t-shirt was funny the *first* time when it actually listed a supermodel. It's not funny anymore. And substituting Gisele for someone who is butt ugly might make you the biggest fucking loser and ass kisser on the entire fucking planet.
I don't know which is funnier, the comments for this post or for the Hilary Duff post.
Oh, right, Liz, how could I forget? Before Choire took over, Gawker was so much more high brow! Choire is, I must say, doing a wonderful job keeping your spirit alive and filling the page with the same vapid nonsense that you started the site with. I think the issue is as follows: you'd like to be taken seriously as some sort of clever literary figure and downtown hipster but in reality, you're no different from some hack at the Enquirer or some member of the paparazzi hiding behind a tree outside a posh club. The only difference is you have internet access.
a possible solution: what if gawker donated the proceeds from advertising on the site to a fund which would go to a makeover/plastic surgery for elizabeth? that way, elizabeth would look good, everyone could wear their "i fucked..." t-shirts with pride and most importantly everyone would stop bitching...
(or maybe a collection box would be more appropriate? if every gawker reader contributed a buck, she'd be able to afford park ave's very best...)
"The most familiar of informal fallacies."
Isn't it funny how when someone like Elizabeth gets all snarky and witty on her site making derisive comments about pubic figures, everyone loves it, but when "she" becomes somewhat of a public figure, anyone who says anything critically negative about Elizabeth is "jealous" and considered "haters." Hilarious. Yes, the woman is a dog, she flames celebs to make a buck, nothing new here, moving on.
p.s. Gothamist is and always has been better. Not even close.
Interesting solution, Jessica - except since Denton himself said that Gawker pulls in $2k a month and from what I saw of Elizabeth's teeth she'll need an enormous amount of work, I think we're looking at at least a year of Gawker revenue before there will be enough in the kitty. And that's just the teeth we're talking about: we'd still have to scrape up additional cash for everything else.
One other thought... maybe someone should make up an "I fucked Choire" t-shirt for Nick Denton...
Hey Jake, I don't suppose you'd be willing to give me the IP addresses for Jon & Nameless? I promise I wouldn't implicate you if I got caught.
Sterling: you're worried about getting caught and you call yourself a Jersey Boy? Guys from Jersey never get caught...
Sterling,
I don't get the very personal interest in me and some other poster just because we love Gothamist and hate Gawker. Heck, even *you* have people/places you hate:
You said:
"...take careful note of Jason McCabe Calacanis kissing her (Elizabeth Spiers) ass trying to make up for not hiring her a few years back. Delicious. Jason has outlasted his era, to the point where his actual comments are indistinguishable from those meant to parody him. He needs to follow Josh Harris to the ashram or the apple orchard or wherever - personal reinvention time."
So, does that mean someone who loves Jason should be given all of your personal information so I they harass you? Pot calling the kettle black. Everyone has someone/thing they don't like, you are free to disagree. BTW, I think Jason sucks ass way more than Gawker, if that's any consolation.
I'm of the opinion that web publishers and editors who allow anonymous comments bear the legal and ethical responsibility for those comments.
Choire, I agree with you re: responsibility of comments. On a related tangent, I struggle with the overall issue of whether or not to keep comments going in some cases. Based on discussion about other posts, Jake and I have yet to come up with the best policy when it comes to comments: Do we delete comments that are anonymous or inappropriate? Do we edit (noting that we've done so, of course) comments, taking out portions that are inappropriate? The downside is limiting lively debate. Deleting comments or editing them is very time-consuming as well. I closed comments to Jailbait from Vanity Fair because I felt the name calling was out of control, and I'm tempted to do it with the Hilary Duff post because people there are delusional and crazy. I guess based on previous actions, I should close the comments down here because the name-calling is terrible.
"...does that mean someone who loves Jason should be given all of your personal information so I they harass you?"
Jon -
If Jason Calacanis has a problem with me, he knows who I am. I made fun of him with full knowledge that he's a Tae Kwan Do instructor who could probably kick my ass in two or three seconds. My phone number AND ADDRESS are listed in the white pages, and even if they weren't, I WAS ONE OF HIS SUBSCRIBERS. Presumably he kept his mailing list.
Also, I'm not saying he's ugly or stupid or otherwise irremediably impaired - I think he's bright and funny and just needs to reassess what he's doing; change his tactics.
You can criticize anybody you want, mock, make fun, whatever. But please, show some fucking balls about it, you goddamned, gutless, slimy little coward. I spit on you, your parents and whatever unfortunate mongoloid progeny you manage to spawn.
re: anon comments, if i have to weigh free speech vs. the possibility of slander, i'm going to side with free speech. if it gets out of hand, i may require email addresses and such, but let's be honest- all that's going to do is get people to write fuckyou@fuckyou.com. even if MT developed a built in validation step, people could still setup yahoo accounts like fcuku@hotmail.com, and still post whatever they want. so, as i learned a few years ago, you really have to ignore what people write about you on the internet. there is no effective way to control it, and sooner or later, all of us will have some crazy person who likes to dis us online.
MT includes an IP address tag, Jake - why not add that to the message header?
just what i'd expect. people like sterling get offended because someone criticised them and now they want to track the people down. or quash the discussion by shutting down the board completely. or dismiss them - as jake just did - as "crazy". how bloody typical. liberal tendencies straight out the window now that the criticism is directed at them.
God, I'm attractive.
Sterling, you're a pitiful ass kisser. Just look at boro6:
"If you read Gawker you know that Elizabeth is a sharp observer and talented writer...
"...take careful note of Jason McCabe Calacanis kissing her ass trying to make up for not hiring her a few years back. Delicious..."
Why don't *WE* take careful note of your sad, fucking attempt to a) get some "action" with Elizabeth or b) get your shitty blog folded into the Gawker empire.
(PS: do you want to come hunt me down now because i said something naughty?)
Well now that Elizabeth has landed a full-time job at NY Mag, I presume she'll be able to afford all that cosmetic surgery herself. No?
I don't have very many liberal tendencies. And vis-a-vis the First Amendment, there's a big difference between some dickless wonderboy's anonymous nastygrams and The Federalist Papers.
A lot of so-called liberals think that free speech means there should be no consequences for what you say or write. Sean Penn whines that he can't get work now just because he spoke his mind. Well, I have the right to express myself, too, and I'd set myself on fire before I paid to see a movie he appeared in. It is in anticipation of that response that movie and television producers are reluctant to cast him.
So when people take pot shots at friends of mine from behind a wall of anonymity, that pisses me off. It's unfair, it's indecent, and it's cowardly. So YES, I want to identify them, so that they face consequences for their opinions, the same as the rest of us would.
All I know is Elizabeth and Jen absolutely rock . . . and I have never met either of them (and our politics couldn't be more opposite). They are talented writers who keep the rest of us informed while we grind away at our respective jobs. They are funny, insightful, attractive and unique. To criticize them is to admit your own short-comings -- as they ask nothing of you yet provide great material day-in and day-out. I for one know that I will miss Elizabeth's musings on Gawker -- much like I miss the daily ramblings of ESPN2's Bill Simmons when he ran his "Boston Sports Guy" website. Two very different writers from two completely different universes, but insightful and intriguing nonetheless. Let's just hope Jen doesn't leave us any time soon.
Cheers,
Kevin
Note The Kevin immediately above is me and not the Kevin hiding behind some fake e-mail address.
Well, Kevin, you must be the most perceptive chimp ever to figure out the QWERTY keyboard. Congratu-fucking-lations.
While saying nice things about people generally runs counter to my disposition, so many people were digging on Elizabeth that I figured I should express my positive opinion. As for me being an ass-kisser, well, congratulations again, Brainiac: you're about the first person to ever accuse me of that. I'm an ass-kisser, you've got an IQ above 90 and Benny Hill was Princess Di's secret lover.
I don't need or want anything from Elizabeth or Nick, although it would be nice if they'd start coming to trivia night at the Slipper Room again. Whatever faults I have, kissing ass and using people are not among them.
At this point I figure that most of the posters saying nasty things are just one anonymous chickenshit bastard. Use your real name or shut up, coward.
hey sterling, this is coming from a guy thinks that boring us to death on your stupid blog with musings on the razor you bought at walgreens yesterday constitutes some sort of literary accomplishment? you're a complete tool.
"So YES, I want to identify them, so that they face consequences for their opinions,"
Gee, that sounds suspiciously like a threat. Hey Jake and Jen, I love you guys, but you seem to be giving Sterling a free pass (maybe you're friends with him, I don't know). But don't you think making threats on a thread is way more deserving of banning, or closing a thread than people merely saying someone has bad teeth/skin? Saying someone sucks is tacky, making threats online is something that can bring you to court.
Sterling, if Elizabeth is really your friend (girlfriend?), then you'll have to get used to her being slammed in the media now that she's public figure. It happens to everyone. If you plan on tracking down everyone who says something bad about her, then you'd better get ready for a full time job, this is New York (nasty comments par for the course). Hey, maybe you could get her new magazine to pay you to be her digital bodyguard, sounds like you really want the job anyway. ;^)
Hey Sailorman (what the hell kind of name is that?)
That's a fine suggestion except I don't think NY Mag is going to be paying her nearly enough to cover all the cosmetic work that's required. Although it should certainly cover a decent haircut and an appointment with a dermatologist...
Let her worry about her teeth when she's in her early 30s and still hasn't scored a date with a member of the opposite sex.
Sterling: as for your suggestion to Jen that she give you my IP address so you can track me down, I'd be happy to invite your scrawny ass to come meet me in person right now -- but you live in fucking New Jersey.
Sue - if I was going to make a threat, I wouldn't be coy about it. I think I made my point - anonymous attacks on people are cowardly and I'd like to see those people exposed. That's all.
Oh, and I found an IP address of 64.59.61.194 in the Boro6 logs at about the same time Jon cut and paste from my site. A whois shows this: http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=64.59.61.194
The address also shows up in the logfiles of http://www.madpony.com, which is one of those underage girl model sites, with an equestrian bent. Kinky.
Mr. Nameless, I've got $1.50 for the PATH, and I'm going to be at the Happy Hour tonight. I'll be in the green sweater if you've got something you want to say, though I'm pretty sure you don't have the cojones. If you lack the moral courage to use your real name in a blog comments area, you sure as shit don't have the physical courage to put your ass on the line.
Madpony is actually a work of minor genius. I suggest a closer read.
Oooh, how exciting! Sterling is going to making the trip into the city looking all dapper in his green sweater!
I'm just wondering if that will be enough to get him into bed tonight with Elizabeth 'cause Sterling is so looking forward to having his small little penis firmly encased between Elizabeth's jagged yellow teeth tonight.
Sterling --
I'll agree that some of the comments have gone too far, but get a grip. Asking Jake and Jen to give up IP addresses and sorting through Boro6's logs is a little fascist and will only make the problem worse.
Long live Gothamist!
-- Ken
Hey folks,
I step away for a day and I end up missing all this anger and hostility!
Why don't we limit the personal attacks and all congratulate dear Elizabeth on her new gig at New York Magazine. From what i've heard, it's her first real full time job ever! Gawker was, of course, just a publicity stunt so she could get a job in the industry and I, for one, have never heard of someone graduating college and deciding on a "freelance" job doing "buy-side equity research."
Here's to turning a 4+ years of pseudo-unemployment into a job as a gossip writer!
Ken, I take it you're using "fascist" as a synonym for "invasive", "persistent" or "thorough". It doesn't mean that. If I were a government official and I went poring through log files trying to identify someone, that might be indicative of fascistic behavior. But as I'm a private citizen, it ain't.
Sterling --
Thanks for the language lesson. But you've done a great job establishing yourself as quite a jerk here (and I think many others would agree). It might be time to pop a Valium move on to more important things than whether someone is saying Elizabeth is ugly or not.
-- Ken
Oh, and by the way, "invasive" is NOT the same thing as "thorough"
TOO MANY COMMENTS!
jesus christ- some of the people at the bar tonight were right- this thread has gotten a little out of hand. for the record: gothamist would prefer the comments stay on-topic regarding the post, refrain from name-calling or personal insults, and generally try to add something to the topic being discussed. i'm inclined to delete this whole thread- as it's mostly a few guys waving their dilz around and a lot of name calling about liz spiers. still- i'll let you guys have the last word- is there anything redeeming about the last 100 comments that deserves to be preserved for the record?
No shit, Ken? "Thorough" and "invasive" don't mean the same thing? You should be a fucking English professor. Words have meanings, shithead. If the operator had been "and", then I would have been saying the three had the same meaning. "Or" means "one of". Pardon me for expecting you to have some rudimentary grasp of the English language. You should show a little care tossing around inflammatory slurs like "fascist" before you start trying to diagram my sentences.
It doesn't matter to me in the slightest what you think about me or anything else. I thought I'd pay a little respect to you because, at the very least, you have the decency to use your real name. But you can fuck off, too - you're of no importance to me.
Hey, Mr. Nameless. I got to Remote at 7:50 and stayed 'til 10:30. I tried to talk with everybody. If you were there, you didn't have the balls to say "boo".
Since you've now demonstrated that you've got smaller balls than testosterone-deprived lab mice, keep your mouth shut. I'm tired of you.
If I was here to make friends I would have brought cookies and ice cream. My sole purpose on this board is to excoriate a bunch of nasty little chicken turds.
What you fucks wrote here was embarrassing enough before I ever arrived, so don't try to pin it on me.
Hey Sterling,
Did you and little green sweater go home all alone back to New Jersey? Poor Sterling didn't get to go home with Liz and stick his pencil-sized penis in her mouth full of crooked teeth?
Guess like all his brown nosing on your part isn't paying off much...
Hey Sterling,
Did you and little green sweater go home all alone back to New Jersey? Poor Sterling didn't get to go home with Liz and stick his pencil-sized penis in her mouth full of crooked teeth?
Guess like all the brown nosing on your part isn't paying off much...
Or were you planning to finally come out of the closet and go home with Choire?
sterling, you're getting it all wrong in your life, don't ya.
Whoaaaaaaaaaa! This comments section is so especially wack, in so many ways!
Jake and Jen, I understand wanting to protect your friend and be conscientious bloggers and all but what's the difference between this comments section and many other hotheaded rants-- Lauren W., for instance-- which you guys seemed to encourage? Obviously you guys decide who to hate which makes sense, but when other people, like the weirdos above, hate someone you like, you threaten to edit or wag a finger? I don't get it.
X.O. - I've actually "edited" and "wagged" my finger on other posts when it's gotten out of control. While I believe in free speech, this is our website, we maintain editorial control - it's much like which Letters to the Editor a newspaper choose to publish. But I keep a lot up there (I've kept comments up where people say they hate this site, or think we're stupid, etc.) because we're trying to develop a forum and also because editing comments in Movable Type is a bitch. And believe me, Jake and I are still discussing what to do with the commments - all of them - on this post. To be continued...
Damn, next time I'll keep my opinions to myself...
You're repeating yourself, Nameless. No balls, no brain...maybe the wizard can set you up with a heart, too? Follow the yellow brick road, asshole.
On second thought, after reading this thread, I've decided that boro6.com also sucks.
Then don't read it. No skin off my ass.
I just read it and it's good. I figured you could use a bit of annoyance though, after asking for everyone's IPs.
Hey Jen, what's this guy's IP address?
Yea, Boro6 sucks ass.
That's probably why Sterling spends all his time reading Gothamist...
What a foolish question, Jake.
To delete the posts about my godlike beauty would be a crime against humanity, and art itself.
Wow.
Blogging is insipid. Gossip is insipid. Many things that rightlfully pass as entertainment are insipid. Harmless fun. Gothamist, Gawker, et.al primarily observe and draw attention to some of the interesting and amusing things that make NYC, media, the entertainment industy (and the people that inhabit them) so damned fun. That's all and it's good. And, in their own ways they're both very good at it.
Many comments in this thread, howerver, are not good, entertaining, or enlightning. They're a frightening window into self absorbed, cruel thoughts - a window one really shouldn't open. What's accomplished by making, then defending, personal attacks? Is this really worth fighting over? What laughably high standard are we holding these observers too?
I've never cringed after reading one of Liz, Jen, Jake, or Choire's comments. The offensive posts here make me cringe.
What is wrong?
One thing is for sure: Sterling *is* a loser and Boro6 is a shitty blog.
Important update - I misstyped my email address in the prior post. Innocent mistake. Please don't send some unsuspecting soul an email. Send em to me if you must. I'd rather you didn't.
Tony- You work at CNET and you're calling me a loser?
If only we'd been so lucky, Sterling!
"Some people would also go in the water the day after the hurricane passed, but I never did for fear of debris. Riding massive waves is fun, but not when you MIGHT GET SMACKED BY A TELEPHONE POLE OR SUNKEN BOAT tumbling in the surf." (From Boro6)
-- Ken
actually, jake, i'm kind of enjoying this nastiness. it's certainly making the gothamist comments section more lively
Brian wrote: "I've never cringed after reading one of Liz, Jen, Jake, or Choire's comments. The offensive posts here make me cringe."
That may be true, but looking at Liz's face a couple of weeks ago did the trick!
and if i happened to mention that i was a founding employee of cnet and cashed out for many millions, would that change the fact that your blog sucks balls?
Tony - You've got the wrong email format. The early CNET employees were @cnet.com, i.e. halseym@cnet.com or jais@cnet.com. Yours is tony_demillo@cnet.com, which employs a format that came in after 1997.
Even if you're not a loser -and while I'm checking up on that I'll continue to operate under the assumption that you are - you're definitely an idiot for siding with nasty jackasses instead of with me, a person who's just trying to help a friend.
Damn. Looks like everybody at CNET was issued the new format at some point after the IPO. So much for that idea.
People, simmer down now!
While we at Gothamist encourage lively debate, the discussion has spiraled out of control and we're closing this thread.
Note for the future: If you want to start beef with other commenters, take it somewhere else.
Thanks.
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